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Old January 1st, 2013, 08:11 AM   #11

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As others have pointed out greatstreetwarior, Assyrians (including Syriacs) still exist today albeit in small numbers especially in their motherland. There is a large diaspora of Assyrians in Sweden, most of whom fled the violence during and after the Iraq War. Most are based in the Södertälje/Stockholm area but there were many in Göteborg as well, the city where I lived. They even have their own football club, Kennedy Bakircioglu being one player I can think of straight away.

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Old January 1st, 2013, 01:18 PM   #12

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I've been wondering this for a while, are the Chaldeans of today, the same as the Chaldeans of the ancient world?

And to answer the OP, there's still a good amount of ancient Mesopotamian religion and culture in Judaism. Things like the 613 Commandments, views on the afterlife, and famously the story of Moses are all rooted in ancient Mesopotamia.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 02:39 PM   #13

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It is not certain that the Assyrians of today are the descendants of old Assyrians, their language is more Aramaic/neo Assyrian due to some Persian king adopting it for his domain. That renders identifying the background of its' speakers uncertain. Furthermore, a lot of the current Iraqi assyrians were near lake Van in persia, only got their Iraqi papers as a gift from the British when they migrated to Iraq after the Turkish reprisals against Christians.

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Old January 1st, 2013, 06:22 PM   #14

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I can't help but fail to see the modern world without the infrastructure of civilization set out by the Mesopotamians.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 10:28 AM   #15

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I think the Assyrians still speak Aramaic.
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Old January 4th, 2013, 05:22 PM   #16

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Geoffrey Khan, Cambridge linguist, held a lecture at Northwestern University, in May of 2012, on the topic of the Sureth language.

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Such linguistic convergence must have arisen through bilingualism. Indicating that the speakers of the ancestors of the modern Assyrian dialects, in the ancient period, must have spoken Akkadian...
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To sum up, the spoken Assyrian dialects are a remarkable heritage, with considerable historical depth, having roots in the period of the ancient Assyrians, with a history that is independent of that of Syriac, and other literary forms of Aramaic...
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Old January 18th, 2013, 07:41 AM   #17
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To Iraq Bruin


Your right when you say most modern Assyrians were found in Turkey and Iran rather than Syria and Iraq before the war. What was the reason for this?
Was it that they migrated from their main areas to these fringes?


Are there ethnic Aramaic speakers in Iraq and Syria before the war? Any links and references on them? How many did they number??


Why is there no sense of revivalism or historical pride amongst modern Iraqis and Syrians towards their ancient history?
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Old January 18th, 2013, 10:41 AM   #18

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I guess some isolated groups like Assyrians and Mandaeans (ethnoreligious group) can claim to be the closest modern proxies that we could get from those ancient populations. They have probably kept the Mesopotamian traditions to some degree.
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Old January 19th, 2013, 04:04 PM   #19

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How did Assyrians not live in Iraq before the war?

Ninveh?
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Old January 19th, 2013, 04:32 PM   #20
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Actually, Sumerian language is proven to be related to Turkic languagues. So maybe the Turkic groups of region are in fact successors to the Sumerian heritage.
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