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Old January 13th, 2015, 11:28 AM   #1
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Why didnt Copts seek refuge in Nubia and Ethiopia a century after Arab invasions


Initially Arabs were ofcourse welcomed but within the first century Copts felt Arabs were destroying their culture and religion. Their many revolts were mercilessly put down. Why didnt the Copts seek refuge in Ethiopia or Nubia which held out much stronger and could have readily accepted them rather than living and assimilating in the dominant culture?
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Old January 13th, 2015, 11:34 AM   #2

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Great question. In fact there were invasions by Christians to try to liberate Christan subjects. Perhaps the Copts didn't want to leave their homes but they would be sympathetic with Christian armies

https://books.google.com/books?id=jF...tput=html_text

"It should be recalled that much of upper Egypt remained sympathetic with Coptic Christiantity and even by 962 substantial portions of upper Egypt temporarily fell under the authority of Dongola"

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Probably because in much of the upper Nile once past Khartoum, one gets into Tsetse fly country and death for cattle. And mountain agriculture would have been a total stretch for people who grew up along the Nile and it's floods. Who really knows? Maybe some Nubians did make that transition and settled in the Ethiopian Plateau.
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I think in reality you are over-estimating the desires of disjointed people to move into unknown areas. You have to remember that villagers wouldn't know much more than the neighbours around them. There was no mass media so that a whole entity should up and move to somewhere they dont know at all - no-one ever takes kindly to new interlopers taking their land or even passing through it.

Jewish exodus's are famous as they are epic events and nearly always compulsory (from Spain, Russia etc) apart from the original one!
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there wasa thriving Coptic community in Nubia and a minority of Copts in Ethiopia. Ties between these places and Egypt were strong especially in Upper Egypt. Plus people could take these steps as a refuge against persecution.
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A factor we should keep in mind is that in Egypt the local Christian communities [the Coptic communities] have always been quite wide and numerous as for presence.

This has allowed anyway the survival of a certain Christian sub-culture in the country, so that there has been an Egyptian proper environment in which Coptic groups have had the possibility to live.

Still today, according to different sources, in Egypt at least the 10% of the population is Christian [there are sources which mention higher percentages].

This means that, despite all, Coptic communities still count about 8,500,000 of Christian Egyptians [not a little number in a Muslim country ...].
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there wasa thriving Coptic community in Nubia and a minority of Copts in Ethiopia. Ties between these places and Egypt were strong especially in Upper Egypt. Plus people could take these steps as a refuge against persecution.
It is just not practical my friend. 'Ties' would be between leaders, in major population centres, over months and years.

The average villager - anywhere at this period - would not know anything outside his own village and church, plus the odd rumour maybe from a passing trader. It's true of most places anywhere before the media age, outside the big centres.
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There is some evidence that Copts fled the Islamic persucation by settling in Nubia. Many tomb stones, graffiti and manuscripts have been found in Lower Nubia, written in such good Coptic that the majority of them must have been written by native speakers. The large monastery of Ghazali in central Makuria housed many Coptic monks.
As far as I can tell there were two periods of Coptic exoduses: First in the 9th and 10th century and probably again during the early Mamluk period.

Exoduses to Ethiopia were not that common I think. Nubia was closer and more stable. We know however about a comperatively large presence of Ethiopians in Egypt, at least during the Zagwe period (1137-1270).
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a) Atleast in ethiopia, things were uh... highly unstable.
b) Ethiopians follow their own orthodox church for the most part - this likely deterred copts.
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Maybe they just made friends instead?
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