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View Poll Results: Which side during the Crusades were the relative "good guys"?
The Crusaders 77 47.53%
The Muslims 85 52.47%
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 05:57 PM   #11
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The Muslims were clearly morally superior. How things have changed since then.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 06:25 PM   #12
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 06:33 PM   #13
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For a start which particular Crusade are you talking about? Each had their genesis in the context of different historical, political and economic circumstances over an extended period of time. Secondly and rational analysis of warfare - particularly warfare in the ancient/medieval period will show that there was seldom if ever a 'good guy'. Mass slaughter, rape pillage and slavery were the norm rather than the exception in most cases during these era's.

So unless the purpose of the question is to start a whole thread on 'Muslim' v Christian' bashing I can't really see why anyone would ask the question like this about 'the Crusades' per se. Far better to analyze each of the Crusades in turn as individual military campaigns in their own context.
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Old May 24th, 2015, 03:19 PM   #14

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One one hand, the Muslims were attacked by the Crusaders, but on the other hand, much of the Middle East was Christian land before the Muslim Jihads in the 7th and 8th centuries. Also, Christian pilgrims were restricted access to the Holy Land by the Seljuk Sultanate.

The question, in my opinion at least, is not "Who is more morally correct?" but rather, "Who is less wrong?"
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Relatively: the Muslims. They were the ones attacked after all.
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Relatively: the Muslims. They were the ones attacked after all.
Where did the Christian city of Alexandria disappear to?
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Where did the Christian city of Alexandria disappear to?
You would have a point if the Christian city of Alexandria had been conquered by Muslims within living memory of the First Crusade. Instead, it happened some five centuries earlier.

By your logic, the inhabitants of Native American reservations in the USA would have the right to rise up and massacre all the white Americans they can find, and likewise anywhere else in the world where the distant descendants of the conquered live amongst the distant descendants of the conquerors.
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Where did the Christian city of Alexandria disappear to?
That wasn't a part of the CRUSADES though, which this question supposes. We're talking about a 500 year difference here.
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The Muslims, because they killed less civilians and weren't the aggressors.
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You would have a point if the Christian city of Alexandria had been conquered by Muslims within living memory of the First Crusade. Instead, it happened some five centuries earlier.

By your logic, the inhabitants of Native American reservations in the USA would have the right to rise up and massacre all the white Americans they can find, and likewise anywhere else in the world where the distant descendants of the conquered live amongst the distant descendants of the conquerors.
So the Christian Byzantine Empire and the Muslim realms were living in peace before the crusaders arrived?

Constantinople is today called? let me think.

The good citizens of Baltimore moved to North Africa on a peaceful migration.
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