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Old September 29th, 2015, 04:45 AM   #1
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Where did this myth of a "flood" of european slaves in the barbary coast begin?


I always hear people arguing on youtube that infact it was us muslims that 'began' slavery, when the ottoman barbary states of north africa enslaved 'huge' numbers of europeans because they were 'infidels'.

Who made this story up Charles Darwin?
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I always hear people arguing on youtube that infact it was us muslims that 'began' slavery, when the ottoman barbary states of north africa enslaved 'huge' numbers of europeans because they were 'infidels'.

Who made this story up Charles Darwin?

No, Tidiane N'Diaye from Senegal.
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When Europeans Were Slaves: Research Suggests White Slavery Was Much More Common Than Previously Believed
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Im sorry but that article was complete nonsense, this guy Davis just through out a random number of 8500 per year 'based on his studies' which he provides no evidence of and no backup data at all. Just regurgitated the same crap people always say on youtube, no real evidence at all like your mate Darwin
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So Davis developed a new methodology to come up with reasonable estimates of the number of slaves along the Barbary Coast. Davis found the best records available indicating how many slaves were at a particular location at a single time. He then estimated how many new slaves it would take to replace slaves as they died, escaped or were ransomed.

“The only way I could come up with hard numbers is to turn the whole problem upside down – figure out how many slaves they would have to capture to maintain a certain level,” he said. “It is not the best way to make population estimates, but it is the only way with the limited records available.”

Putting together such sources of attrition as deaths, escapes, ransomings, and conversions, Davis calculated that about one-fourth of slaves had to be replaced each year to keep the slave population stable, as it apparently was between 1580 and 1680. That meant about 8,500 new slaves had to be captured each year. Overall, this suggests nearly a million slaves would have been taken captive during this period. Using the same methodology, Davis has estimated as many as 475,000 additional slaves were taken in the previous and following centuries.

The result is that between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly 1 million and quite possibly as many as 1.25 million white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast.



The bits that matter in his "Study" word study used as loosely as possible. I prefer the term desperately scrabbling for straws onto which to grasp to support his Islamaphobic fantasies.

Obviously a nutter.
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Who made this story up Charles Darwin?
Why did you say that???

Seems strange???
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I always hear people arguing on youtube that infact it was us muslims that 'began' slavery, when the ottoman barbary states of north africa enslaved 'huge' numbers of europeans because they were 'infidels'.

Who made this story up Charles Darwin?
Slavery predates both the Christian and Muslim religions by thousands of years, but the enslaving of around 1.5 million Christians by attacks from Muslim raiders up until the 18th century is a historical fact.
ps: Charles Darwin was a naturalist, not a historian, but I suspect you know this already and are merely trolling.
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I always hear people arguing on youtube that infact it was us muslims that 'began' slavery, when the ottoman barbary states of north africa enslaved 'huge' numbers of europeans because they were 'infidels'.

Who made this story up Charles Darwin?
I always hear people getting strangely defensive when they find out it's fact, not fiction.

Also, Europeans did not bear the brunt of Islamic slave-trading. The eastern coast of Africa and Caucasian Asia did. You can find out all about what the Ottomans, Rashiduns, Saudis and others got up to between the 7th and 20th centuries, or what Mauritians get up to now. You can. But I suspect you won't...

...you'll probably also bash the Europeans for 'colonialism,' forgetting that half of Africa speaks Arabic and has done for up to a thousand years. Not the couple generations Europeans were in charge. A millennium.

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Muslim pirates were capturing slaves even in such distant places like Iceland in the year 1627 when they kidnapped few hundrieds Icelanders.
The Crimean Tatars were raiding the Southern borderlands of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Russia capturing large masses of people and later selling them in Istambul.
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I'd always thought the figure was in the tens of thousands not millions.

Were do I get the 10,000 or so figure from???

Everything I find on line points at 1.25 million.

I knew it happened but because so little attention is given to it I always assumed the figure to be relatively low.
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