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Old December 20th, 2017, 06:22 PM   #11

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Well, I'm not that familiar with dogs or their psychology, I hv to admit. But from what I know of other animals, once an animal has taken you in, accepted you as its friend and/or food/care/love giver and/or parent and/or master and/or whatever, it's usually for keeps. Until either a significantly long separation between you & it, or a sudden burst of violent action from you against it, alters that relationship somewhat, after which their trust in you is reduced/damaged, and the relationship has to be kind of mended & strengthened again toward the previous level, where that is possible.

I don't honestly know what to make of those dogs' action. The only possibility I cud think of is that, perhaps they were like a couple of very young kids who had been regularly mishandled by someone else in your absence. And when you're back with them, they respond warmly to you at first, as a reflex action. But then, some old axe to grind with that person somehow resurfaces in them after a while, and then they start confronting you & somehow blaming you for what he/she had done to them.

I don't know. Cud something like that be possible?

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Well, I'm not that familiar with dogs or their psychology, I hv to admit. But from what I know of other animals, once an animal has taken you in, accepted you as its friend and/or food/care/love giver and/or parent and/or master and/or whatever, it's usually for keeps. Until either a significantly long separation between you & it, or a sudden burst of violent action from you against it, alters that relationship somewhat, after which their trust in you is reduced/damaged, and the relationship has to be kind of mended & strengthened again toward the previous level, where that is possible.

I don't honestly know what to make of those dogs' action. The only possibility I cud think of is that, perhaps they were like a couple of very young kids who had been regularly mishandled by someone else in your absence. And when you're back with them, they respond warmly to you at first, as a reflex action. But then, some old axe to grind with that person somehow resurfaces in them after a while, and then they start confronting you & somehow blaming you for what he/she had done to them.

I don't know. Cud something like that be possible?
I think so. In this case the other actor would be the owner's father. This case has gotten a lot of publicity and the victim's friends can't believe these dogs did this. It was a very gruesome death scene by police accounts and the dogs were put down. As I said, the dogs may have taken out their anger on the 22 yr old owner for leaving them with her apparently neglectful father.

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Because they are wild animals.

Better to get a cat
Dogs are animals but they are most certainly not wild. They the were first species to be domesticated by humans and by a wide margin.

This also isn't typical behavior for a dog.
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I don't think there's any evidence that dogs form notions such as spite against someone who allowed bad treatment by another. I've been involved in a few searches for lost dogs, and it seems like they can revert to wild behavior surprisingly quickly, certainly a few days, if they're on their own.

Assuming that she was seeing the dogs multiple times per week, it's hard for me to imagine the dogs just forgetting that the woman was part of their "pack" and suddenly treating her as prey. Again, I suspect some sort of injury, and the hungry dogs eventually looking at her as a food source.
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Have you ever seen a cat attack a person? They can do just as much damage as dogs.
Only if that cat is a cougar.
Some dogs can bite through an adult human's neck - a house cat can't do that

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Dogs are animals but they are most certainly not wild. They the were first species to be domesticated by humans and by a wide margin.

This also isn't typical behavior for a dog.
I'm not a dog person. But I'm appalled at people who keep large dogs cooped up all day in a small apartment, or caged.
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Only if that cat is a cougar.
Some dogs can bite through an adult human's neck - a house cat can't do that

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You're not familiar with just how aggressive cats can be. This picture is a pit bull that was attacked by a cat. The cat took on 7 dogs and won.

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurenstrap...3DQ#.thQBdYpW0

Cats tend to run before taking on a bigger animal, but that does not mean they can't fight. It's not as common as dog attacks, but there have been cases where police have had to shoot cats that were attacking people.

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Father calls 911 after cat attacks baby then bails whole family in bedroom | Daily Mail Online
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there have been cases where police have had to shoot cats that were attacking people.



Father calls 911 after cat attacks baby then bails whole family in bedroom | Daily Mail Online
There have been a few oddball incidents, but the very occasional aggressive cat is not in the same league as dog attacks.

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cases of out-of-control dogs are relatively common, Simpson said, he could not recall in his 20 years with the Portland police a similarly ferocious feline
Try googling "girl mauled by pitbull" and you'll get dozens if not hundreds of awful accounts, and horrific photos if you dare look.

Woman, 67, savagely mauled by two pit bulls in store parking lot rescued by passerby who fired his gun

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There have been a few oddball incidents, but the very occasional aggressive cat is not in the same league as dog attacks.

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Try googling "girl mauled by pitbull" and you'll get dozens if not hundreds of awful accounts, and horrific photos if you dare look.

Woman, 67, savagely mauled by two pit bulls in store parking lot rescued by passerby who fired his gun
Dog attacks are more common, but so are dog rescues and cases of dogs protecting people. How often do cats protect their owners?

In any case, dog attacks are usually due to bad owners.
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I'm not a dog person. But I'm appalled at people who keep large dogs cooped up all day in a small apartment, or caged.
I agree with the caged bit. Dogs are highly social animals than need regular interaction with their surrogate "pack." Unfortunately there are some people who treat their pets like just another object to own than living things.

Some large breed dogs do well however in small apartments, so long as they are getting regular exercise. It varies by breed.
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Dog attacks are more common, but so are dog rescues and cases of dogs protecting people. How often do cats protect their owners?

In any case, dog attacks are usually due to bad owners.
Indeed. This has never happened with a cat:

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