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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #111

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You are correct sir, wrong choice of words on my part. But...would it make any difference to the masses?
Probably not. If people are prepared to kill others of their own species on account of differing skin tones then just think how people with differently shaped heads would be treated. We're a class act when it comes to discrimination.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #112

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Arent they are a subspecies of Homo Sapiens?(correct me if I am wrong) They are Homo sapiens neanderthalensis
And you sir are also entirely correct. My skill in Linnaean taxonomy is not what it should be.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:22 PM   #113

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Who says it we will have to treat it differently? The neanderthal languages are dead so he will probably learn one of our major languages. We would probably just to observe to see if they react to things differently then we do.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:59 PM   #114

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While I'm entirely in favor of cloning extinct animals, I'd be against cloning a Neanderthal. I hope it never happens, because a Neanderthal wouldn't an animal. It would be a person, deserving of the same rights as Homo Sapiens.

The immorality of cloning a sapient being just to treat him (or her) like some kind of lab rat or zoo animal, aren't worth whatever science could learn from the experiment.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 09:16 PM   #115
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While I'm entirely in favor of cloning extinct animals, I'd be against cloning a Neanderthal. I hope it never happens, because a Neanderthal wouldn't an animal. It would be a person, deserving of the same rights as Homo Sapiens.

The immorality of cloning a sapient being just to treat him (or her) like some kind of lab rat or zoo animal, aren't worth whatever science could learn from the experiment.
I don't know, a study of its brain could be an immensely useful insight into the study of the evolution of our own brain. Of course, until we have the technology to scan and create a detailed map the human brain with all its connections, it's all probably a bit premature.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #116

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I have no doubt that human cloning has been underway for some time. If they can they will, and they can.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 10:17 PM   #117

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There you go. Since they are not human, could we ethically treat them as a servitude race?
in one very loud word: NO.
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They are human, just not Homo Sapiens. We would be obliged to give them equal rights.
the current taxonomic classification of Neanderthals is Homo sapiens neanderthalensis; they're a subspecies of Anatomically Modern Humans, and as a note, there's evidence which suggests (or confirms, i can't remember) that all people of European descent have at least a small degree of Neanderthal ancestry many thousands of years ago (e.g., AMHs and Neanderthals could interbreed)
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This is prob. out of topic but: How powerful is a neanderthal? Are they like stronger than us?
they were physically stronger than us; personally, i imagine it along these lines: where an Anatomically Modern Human would break his leg and be unable to move after falling down a hill, a Neanderthal would be battered and bruised but able to walk away from it
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Unfortunately, his downfall was almost certainly modern humans. Lets hope this doesn't happen again.
actually, iirc, the prevailing theory as to the extinction of Neanderthals is climate change; they were built for a much colder environment and couldn't adapt as well as Anatomically Modern Humans, though breeding out and merging with AMHs over time probably contributed as well. i wouldn't say that interspecies violence was as much of a factor as previously thought; that would probably be more on the level of violence between competing predators in any other environment
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Old January 20th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #118

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Probably, from a strict legal perspective, a Neanderthal newborn would be compared to a human child, nothing else.

So human rights would be granted also to the Neanderthal.

Then, the sensitive point would come once the Neanderthal reaches the adult age. The problem is if the Neanderthal reaches [or not] the standard to get the right personality [that is to say if the Neanderthal is able to become a complete subject of right with the duties and the rights of a citizen ... to get the citizenship, in other words].

About this, I would underline that there are many humans in not excellent mind conditions who are anyway citizens in all democracies around the world. So that, even if the Neanderthal will show to be under the human standard as superior thought [we won the battle of natural selection against this "cousins", we were more "suitable", may be it was about superior thought, may be not], there would be no reason not to recognize citizenship to the subject.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 08:26 AM   #119

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Probably, from a strict legal perspective, a Neanderthal newborn would be compared to a human child, nothing else.
According to some bioethicists, human babies do not have human rights. What makes us think it would be any different for a neanderthal baby?
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 08:58 AM   #120

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These discussion hit me upon a recollection about Frankenstein, especially on a tremenderously monsterous entity and a failed experiment of a poor scientist.

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