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Old December 11th, 2016, 03:21 PM   #481

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Nah, they just recycle old complaints. Endlessly. If it doesn't exist, they simply invent it.

They can get away with saying "what women want is...", but try that with a men's movement, and you'll have endless furious rows on your hands.

What puzzles me is that feminists constantly assert that "men stick together". In my experience, that's not even slightly true.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 04:01 PM   #482

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What puzzles me is that feminists constantly assert that "men stick together". In my experience, that's not even slightly true.
It shouldn't puzzle you: one tends to suspect their own worst qualities in others. Thei liar always thinks he is being lied to, the cheater always suspects his partner of cheating, and so forth. Here "sticking together" would be deemed, by the feminist speaking, as a negative quality because what it really means is to conspire against others in a nepotistic fashion. It's the same reason they assume that, if a man is promoted, appointed, or elected to some position, it was done for sexist reasons: their own reason for wanting a woman promoted, appointed, or elected to the same position was explicitly sexist, so they can't imagine how "men" might behave differently.
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Well put, Fox. It is indeed very true that too many people judge others by their own standards and ascribe their own tendencies to the motives of others.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 05:28 PM   #484

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I just notice the assumption that feminism has done its job in much of Europe and North America, and I notice a few exceptions:
The case of missing or murdered Native Canadian women in Canada.
Human trafficking
Child pornography or child sexual abuses
Sexual abuses at the workplace or campuses
Much progresses can be made in these areas!
Don't be carried away; we certainly have made very significant progresses, but we should not pretend that it is already paradise or heaven for women.
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What puzzles me is that feminists constantly assert that "men stick together". In my experience, that's not even slightly true.
I agree with that and to expand on Fox's post I would just add that we should maybe separate the views of middle class feminists from those of the majority of ordinary working class women. Feminists tend to view the world from a narrow elitist perspective. While they obsess on what they perceive as female exclusion from high office in politics and the boardroom, which is of course all the fault of men, the vast majority of women are happily engaging in activities like accompanying their men to the football, enjoying a night out in the pub or nightclub and generally feeling superior to us.

I honestly believe that feminism is in its death throws as the vast majority of women, like the vast majority of men, have little time for the wealthy chattering classes with their nannies, high powered jobs, two cars and an utter contempt for the ordinary Joe's and Jean's, who's sweat through the ages gave them everything they have. A good rant now and again is good for the soul and I enjoyed that one.
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I just notice the assumption that feminism has done its job in much of Europe and North America, and I notice a few exceptions:
The case of missing or murdered Native Canadian women in Canada.
Human trafficking
Child pornography or child sexual abuses
Sexual abuses at the workplace or campuses
Much progresses can be made in these areas!
Don't be carried away; we certainly have made very significant progresses, but we should not pretend that it is already paradise or heaven for women.
You're essentially saying, "We need feminism so long as crime exists." Perhaps more importantly, you're attributing special significance to crime committed against women as opposed to that committed against men, which is yet another display of the sexism intrinsic in feminism. Do we need "masculinism" in order to respond to crime committed against men? Of course not, we simply need compassion, decency, and civil order, so why is crime committed against women somehow different?
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You're essentially saying, "We need feminism so long as crime exists." Perhaps more importantly, you're attributing special significance to crime committed against women as opposed to that committed against men, which is yet another display of the sexism intrinsic in feminism. Do we need "masculinism" in order to respond to crime committed against men? Of course not, we simply need compassion, decency, and civil order, so why is crime committed against women somehow different?
Sorry for miscommunication; I haven't thought my points out quite clearly.
While the major issue of women's rights is largely solved, we still have a few subtle issues.
For example, we may unrealistically expect men with lower capacity to take on traditional masculine roles.
For example, we still have loads of magazines that stress feminine beauty rather than women's knowledge and achievements.

Let's have a look:
Appalled Graphic Designer Shows Girls' Life Magazine What Their Cover Should Look Like
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It shouldn't puzzle you: one tends to suspect their own worst qualities in others. Thei liar always thinks he is being lied to, the cheater always suspects his partner of cheating, and so forth. Here "sticking together" would be deemed, by the feminist speaking, as a negative quality because what it really means is to conspire against others in a nepotistic fashion. It's the same reason they assume that, if a man is promoted, appointed, or elected to some position, it was done for sexist reasons: their own reason for wanting a woman promoted, appointed, or elected to the same position was explicitly sexist, so they can't imagine how "men" might behave differently.
Wow!...perfectly well put. Could not have said it better myself.

Great post...it seems as if you have ample experience with women in the workplace. The hypocrisy is truly remarkable insofar as how women continually accuse men of doing the exact same thing they have done so well and often as to render it an art form.
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Wow!...perfectly well put. Could not have said it better myself.



Great post...it seems as if you have ample experience with women in the workplace. The hypocrisy is truly remarkable insofar as how women continually accuse men of doing the exact same thing they have done so well and often as to render it an art form.

A very serious problem in the workplace is promotion of talkers over workers. If you work hard and produce outstanding results, you are always passed over for a self-promoter. It goes unnoticed that you are loyal and have been doing the boss's job excellently in his/her absence, whereas the smooth-talker is a lazy person who spends their ample idle time in equal portions cosying up to the boss and back-stabbing. Once he/she gets the promotion, the talker is even lazier but sets about undermining the boss to get their job.

So many workplaces are like that, especially office staff. No decision-maker ever seems to twig until they get the chop due to the deceptions they allowed to run rampant.

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A very serious problem in the workplace is promotion of talkers over workers. If you work hard and produce outstanding results, you are always passed over for a self-promoter. It goes unnoticed that you are loyal and have been doing the boss's job excellently in his/her absence, whereas the smooth-talker is a lazy person who spends their ample idle time in equal portions cosying up to the boss and back-stabbing. Once he/she gets the promotion, the talker is even lazier but sets about undermining the boss to get their job.

So many workplaces are like that, especially office staff. No decision-maker ever seems to twig until they get the chop due to the deceptions they allowed to run rampant.

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