Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > Themes in History > Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology Forum - Perennial Ideas and Debates that cross societal/time boundaries


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old April 19th, 2016, 03:55 AM   #11

Sephiroth's Avatar
Bringer of Blight
 
Joined: Feb 2015
From: It is a Top Secret
Posts: 2,986

What is hate? The opposite of love - you wish someone or something to vanish from existence. If you hate someone, you wish him to die.. that in mist horrible ways.
Sephiroth is offline  
Remove Ads
Old April 19th, 2016, 03:57 AM   #12
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2012
From: India
Posts: 1,665

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenestella View Post
Are you denying:
racists/xenophobes love their own race/identity?
fundamentalists/wingnuts love their own religion/ideology?
narcissistic sociopaths love themselves?
...
I never said that love could not result in hate. It very well could. What I stated is that there may be many more origin of hate than love: inferiority complex, jealousy, dogma, socialization and many more.


When you are attributing origin of racism exclusively to love, you are only describing one and most base form of racism which goes like: " Mee are the best, eberybne is inperior to me; Hee Haw" type of racism.

Racism does not come in this variety only.

One form of racism that do not originate from love for your own race is dogmatic racism ,and this has been the predominant form of racism until 1970s. It is a product of socialization. Suppose you grew up in a family which did not talk about race at all, but still avoids blacks like plague. In this case you may not even develop a racial consciousness, but still avoid blacks as an adult due to classical conditioning. It is similar to conditioned taste aversion.


Another form of racism is reactionary racism. See you may not love your race, but you have a consciousness that race exist. Here suppose your government is inviting hordes of people of other race in your country ,who want to enslave your race and distribute your wives and children as war booty, for increasing its tax base. Now in normal condition you may not be concerned with race much, but here driven by insecurity, you too join racist bandwagon. Here driving factor for racism is insecurity that your progeny would become either slaves or Jews of 21st century, not love.


And then there is benevolent racism ,proudly displayed by left though they would kill you if you call them racists. This form of racism manifest itself in viewing people of other races as infant whose transgressions not only have to be excused, but encouraged.

I made a post in this thread about why Left hate Hindus/Indians and always try to downplay Islamic atrocities against Hindus which explains this phenomenon of benevolent racism.

Quote:
Very good post.

Tough I think think you missed a psychological force operating in case of global leftist.

While you are correct that it is natural human instinct of being contemptuous of not so successful people, that feeling, due to intervening environmental factors (shame, political correctness, desire to be fair) is expressed in multiple forms.

A la Nazi racism is one of the basic mode of expression of such contempt. A more sophisticated expression of such contempt could be found in paternalism, which I (and I say anyone with a silver of self respect should) regard as soft-racism. It is a kind of fascination with noble savages, a treatment of ethnic groups as children whose egregious behavior should be overlooked and excused.I am someone who believe that Europeans overlook horrific crime (by European standards) committed by Muslims in Europe due to this soft racism which make them see Muslims as infants whose bad behaviour need to be excused.Cultural Marxists have cultivated this narrative of "victim" third worlders. In this narrative, an ethnic minority. They prefer blackies, brownies, and yellows to be perpetual ranting and raging victims who are unsuccessful in real life, and always misbehaving in public.


Indians and East Asian ,though may not be highly successful, are also not complete losers. Both India and China are in twilight zone where they are not strong enough that no one could dare feel contemptuous of them without having cognitive dissonance, but strong and successful enough that you could not label them as victims in your mind.Apart from that, Indian diaspora is probably second most conservative diaspora after Vietnamese diaspora. In UK, Hindus vote more for conservatives than labour; and along with Chinese diaspora is one of the highest achieving and peaceful one.They simply do not behave like classical victim that left would prefer them to behave.


Irritation of left ,which arose from the fact that India and Indians does not conform to victim narrative of left ,both at home and abroad, thus proving their model, false, is a very big reason of this firestorm of left's rage that had been directed towards India for past few years

The sentiment here goes like this:"How dare these Indian elect a conservative government? How dare they? First they vote for Hindu Nazis in India, and if that was not enough, they are voting for conservatives in our countries too. Have these brownies forgotten that they are supposed to be "victim" migrants , and vote for left/labour all the time!"


Had Indians been proper victims like meso-Americans or acting like victims -bombing European capitals, demanding special favors, rioting, agitating and generally playing victims (probably with a coined term like Hinduphobia)- they would have got much more favorable coverage from left than they get now
Last post on this page: Why is India still facing poverty issues despite 70 years of freedom

It would be better if you read the post to which I was responding to get the context.

Last edited by Abhishek; April 19th, 2016 at 04:11 AM.
Abhishek is offline  
Old April 19th, 2016, 03:58 AM   #13
Suspended indefinitely
Member of the Year
 
Joined: Sep 2011
From: ------------
Posts: 24,135
Blog Entries: 9

Sephiroth,

Not really. You're putting your own definitions onto love and hate. People can hate without wanting to torture and murder someone. Likewise love has many parts to it and not necessarily one specific emotion.
Brisieis is offline  
Old April 19th, 2016, 04:36 AM   #14
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2012
From: India
Posts: 1,665

Emotions are not as autonomous as most people think them to be.
Abhishek is offline  
Old April 19th, 2016, 05:03 AM   #15
Scholar
 
Joined: Aug 2013
From: Pomerium
Posts: 560

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abhishek View Post
One form of racism that do not originate from love for your own race is dogmatic racism ,and this has been the predominant form of racism until 1970s. It is a product of socialization. Suppose you grew up in a family which did not talk about race at all, but still avoids blacks like plague. In this case you may not even develop a racial consciousness, but still avoid blacks as an adult due to classical conditioning. It is similar to conditioned taste aversion.
Phobia can be seen as a form of hatred which doesn't have to originate from love. Agreed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisieis View Post
I don't see the connection to hate necessarily.
Hate is only generated when the precious relationships/experiences or the ones involved in the relationships/experiences are harmed or undermined (by whoever/whatever).

Last edited by Fenestella; April 19th, 2016 at 05:06 AM.
Fenestella is offline  
Old April 19th, 2016, 08:16 AM   #16

soundsgood's Avatar
Lecturer
 
Joined: Mar 2016
From: UK
Posts: 345

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abhishek View Post
Emotions are not as autonomous as most people think them to be.
Exactly. It requires a 'trigger'. Whatever that trigger is comes from within.
soundsgood is offline  
Old April 19th, 2016, 08:58 AM   #17

Sephiroth's Avatar
Bringer of Blight
 
Joined: Feb 2015
From: It is a Top Secret
Posts: 2,986

I suppose the idea behind this is like good and bad? Without bad there is no good, no shadow without light etc. GOTCHA.
Sephiroth is offline  
Old April 19th, 2016, 09:32 AM   #18

David Vagamundo's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jan 2010
From: Atlanta, Georgia USA
Posts: 3,666

You don't know what love is until you know the meaning of the blues.
David Vagamundo is offline  
Old April 19th, 2016, 09:37 AM   #19
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Aug 2014
From: Canada
Posts: 1,050

Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vagamundo View Post
You don't know what love is until you know the meaning of the blues.
This is too true.
Guthrum is offline  
Old April 19th, 2016, 09:55 AM   #20
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Aug 2014
From: Canada
Posts: 1,050

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hEYwk0bypY[/ame]
Guthrum is offline  
Reply

  Historum > Themes in History > Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology

Tags
hate, love, origin



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Are we more prone to love or hate? Robespierre Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology 55 April 19th, 2016 03:38 PM

Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.