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Old January 26th, 2010, 08:41 AM   #1

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Helem Wise Men


In another thread Pedro suggested that I open a thread of these stories. It sounds as a good idea, so I retell here the first story I told there - translate it from the book this time.

These are Jewish stories about the town/village of Helem and the Wise Men of the town. They are approached by the people of the town (or the village) and asked to solve problems. And then they do.

The first several stories will come from a book of poems by by Ovsey Driz, a Jewish poet who wrote a lot of wonderful children stories and beautiful poetry - but I read them in Russian translation, as I can't speak Yiddish. My family, sadly, lost it with my great-grandmother, didn't pass it on from fear of the Soviets.

I shall translate the stories of some of the poems, and look some more up, sure. Perhaps my son's school has a book in Hebrew.

Helem traditions (loosely translated from Ovsey Driz)

From times immemorial there were mice in Helem.
Not one, not two, not a thousand - but perhaps, a million.
There were mice in the streets,
There were mice on the thresholds,
There were mice on the steps,
In the attics, on the stoves,
On the benches, on the beds,
In the wash-tubs and the baskets,
Such trouble,
Truly great trouble!

And so, they say, there was a tradition in the town:
Everyone were given three bush twigs for every meal -
For soup, for meat and for compote (stewed fruit), to chase away the mice.
And when the bushes around have all run out,
People started to think, to argue - there was something behind this.
There are different people everywhere. Some are foolish, others - smart.
But, as everyone knows, in Helem town only wise people lived.
Wise people in the streets,
Wise people on the thresholds,
Wise people on the steps,
Wise people on the stoves,
On the benches, on the beds,
In the wash-tubs and the baskets.
Such luck,
Truly great luck!

And so the seven Oldest and Wisest Men convened,
To decide: what to do? No getting away from the mice!
They discussed, and debated and thought seven nights.
Then they have decided: cats will save us from mice.
Cats in the streets,
Cats on the thresholds,
Cats on the steps,
In the attics, on the stoves,
On the benches, on the beds,
In the wash-tubs and the baskets.
Such a wise decision,
Truly great wisdom!

As of that day in Helem, everywhere you looked,
There were cats, cats, cats. Only cats everywhere.
And so, they say, there was a tradition in the town:
Everyone were given three whips for every meal -
For soup, for meat and for compote, to chase away the cats.
For a hundred-miles around all the branches were broken off.
Again the seven Oldest and Wisest Men convened to hold council.
They said: There's no peace from these cats for anyone!
Long they discussed, and debated and finally decided thus:
To be free of cats we should get dogs.
As of that day in Helem, everywhere you looked,
There were dogs, and here were dogs. Everywhere they ran about.
Dogs in the streets,
Dogs on the thresholds,
Dogs on the steps,
In the attics, on the stoves,
On the benches, on the beds,
In the wash-tubs and the baskets.
Such trouble,
Truly great trouble!

But, as everybody knows, people still live there.
Everyone is given three large clubs for every meal -
For soup, for meat and for compote, to chase away the dogs.
All the oaks were already cut down, and now they took up the birch trees.
And the packs of these mean hungry dogs run around,
And again noone knows how to be rid of them.
There are different people everywhere. Some are foolish, others - smart.
But, as everyone knows, in Helem town only wise people live.
The seven Wisest Oldest Men will come up with something
That will make the dogs leave Helem at long last.
There will be none in the streets,
There will be none on the thresholds,
There will be none on the steps,
There will be none on the stoves,
On the benches, on the beds,
In the wash-tubs and the baskets.
Such luck it will be,
Truly great celebration!
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Old January 26th, 2010, 03:21 PM   #2

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Old January 26th, 2010, 03:28 PM   #3

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That is a clever story and well written with song-like refrains at the end.

We still have wise men messing around with nature like introduction of rabbits into Austrailia and Kudzu into the US.
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That is a clever story and well written with song-like refrains at the end.

We still have wise men messing around with nature like introduction of rabbits into Austrailia and Kudzu into the US.
Thank you. It is a woderfully translated and rhymed poem in Russian (from Yiddish), but I am not a poet, so that's all I can do.

It has arisen from just such a theme, in another thread.
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I'll post another one tomorrow.
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Old January 27th, 2010, 05:02 AM   #6

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This story is in fact the first in the series. The Frost is a Russian folklore figure - a grandfatherly figure in furs riding a sleigh with a horse or 3 horses (the horse may be the Wind), representing the Winter, whose job is to cover the earth with snow and cold and keep it in a good sleep until Spring.

The Frost and the Wise Men (loose translation from Ovsey Driz)

Frost was driving along a road lost deep in the woods.
The magpie woven a tale to him of renown Wise Men,
That there were none wiser even if you search the world over.
And the Old Man decided to see if it is true or not.
He decided to go himself to Helem - to visit the Wise Men.

As a white-maned snowy cloud the Wind is flying straight ahead.
Behind on the sleigh is the driver - last year's Snowman.
- Make way pines and firs! Move away, you birches!
Driving, driving, driving, driving is the great Grandfather Frost himself!
Grandfather Frost himself on a sleigh is going to visit the Wise Men!

And in the town of Helem it is cold people forgot for how many days now.
The closest Frost comes to Helem town, the colder the town becomes.
And when the Frost has arrived, it is said that he has seen
The houses standing in shawls and scarves, even in valenki (felt Russian boots).
On the snow the goats were wearing warm wool stockings,
And hiding from the cold even the chickens slept in bonnets.
Well, the Frost has come himself to visit the local Wise Men!

The Frost has arrived at the central square and has percieved a wise house:
All around it was covered with a hunded old books and scrolls.
The Frost has looked into the window and seen 6 long fur coats
And the seventh a big thrice mended sheepskin coat.
Out of the coats only the ends of the noses peeped.
So these are the seven Oldest and Wisest Men!

The Oldest of the oldest spoke out of the sheepskin coat:
- To save ourselves from the fierce cold we need to make a large stove.
The Wise Men chanted: - A stove! Make a stove - and the trouble is off our shoulders!

But one that is the youngest, a hundred and fifty years old,
Said: - A stove is made of clay, and there is no clay in town. -
The Wise Men chanted: - No... None - and it is no secret.

The Oldest of the oldest said to the Wise Men then:
- If there is no clay in town, we shall make the stove from ice. -
The Wise Men chanted: - Yes! We shall make the stove from ice!

But the one that is the youngest raised his voice again:
- If we light it, then the ice may melt.-
The Wise Men chanted: - Here, the ice may melt!

And then said the oldest, the most revered Wise Man:
- A stove from butter may be made, to end all this! -
The Wise Men chanted: - Yes! It would be quite a stove!

But the one that is the youngest raised his voice once more:
- But butter melts just the same as ice does.-
The Wise Men chanted: - Here, it melts just as ice does.

The Oldest of the oldest was angry: - What is this nonsense!
- Nonsense... - the chilled chorus of Wise Men echoed quietly.
And the Wisest of the wisest continued: - My good friend,
It is better the butter melted than all around froze! -
The Wise Men decided: - Clearly, there is no point in keeping the butter.
Let them quickly go and make a stove from butter.
The stove made - and and the trouble is off our shoulders!

And the Frost then thought to himself: "I have travelled all over the world,
But there are no wiser men on earth than in Helem town.
None - and that is no secret!"
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A Mere Trifle (loosely translated from Ovsei Driz)

Once there lived in Helem town a rich man by the name of Chaim-Ber. One hot day he decided to go bathe in the river, but he could not swim.
Hearing his shouts people came to the river, each holding whatever was there in his hands: the shoemaker - with a boot-tree; the barber - with scisors; the tailor - with a tapemeasure... But it was already too late. Only the clothes belonging to Chaim-Ber remained on the river bank.
The people sighed, ooohed and aaahhed. The fact the Chaim-Ber has drowned wasn't that terrible, really. Chaim-Ber was a bad man, and the wealthiest in Helem.
But Esther-Rokhl, the wife of Chaim-Ber, was respected in Helem. Every Friday chickens were slaughtered in the rich man's house for the Shabbat dinner, and Esther-Rokhl never forgot to send the insides to the poor.
What to do now? Who would tell her of this tragedy? Everybody knows the widow has such a kind and weak heart!
Then Shlomo the water-carrier came forward. He was tall, thin and bent, wore a cap and huge boots.
- I take it upon myself, - said Shlomo the water-carrier. - Trust me, I will come up with some way to tell her to soften the blow.
He took Chaim-Ber's clothes and went to his house.
The kind Esther-Rokhl was at that time sitting on the terrace and drinking tea with preserves. And she would take preserves by full spoons from a large jar.
- Good day, dear Esther-Rokhl, - said Shlomo the water-carrier. - I was coming to see you. And, as you may see, I do not come empty-handed... I was passing a while ago along the river, and what do I see? You wouldn't believe it, Esther-Rokhl!..
I see, flying in the air
Someone's hat with a grey ribbon.
I see, it was Chaim-Ber's hat.
How could I ever mistake it?
A hat, and no joke!
This was not just a hat,
You wouldn't throw it on the floor.
This was the hat of Chaim-Ber!
Rich man! Miliionaire!
And it flies like a bird.
And thought to myself:
"God forbid it comes down
Where there is dirt or water.
The hat may get stuck,
On the aspen, for example,
The tree would be proud,
As if it was Chaim-Ber!"
But do not you worry, dear Esther-Rokhl. Nothing happened to the hat. I ran after it and caught it. Here it is, Chaim-Ber's hat, before you. And the fact that it is whole and undamaged is already g-o-o-d.
So I was walking on. And what do I see?
I see pants flying
Of a great size.
These were Chaim-Ber's trousers,
How could I mistake them?
Trousers, and no joke!
These were not just trousers.
You couldn't find such in all the region!
These are trousers of Chaim-Ber!
Rich man! Miliionaire!
And they fly like a bird.
And thought to myself:
"God forbid they come down
Where there is dirt or water.
The pants could end up
In the vegetable garden, for example,
A pumpkin would wear them
As if it was Chaim-Ber!"
But be calm, dear Esther-Rokhl! Nothing happened to Chaim-Ber's pants. I ran after them as if I was twenty years old. I ran as if my hands are not warped with work and my feet were not in heavy wet boots.
And here they are, dear pants of Chaim-Ber. And that, you can well see, is once more g-o-o-d.
I must tell you that catching the hat and the pants was
Hard, but not too much.
But the flying shirtfront
was harder to catch.
Still, as you may see, I have it.
And here is the tie of Chaim-Ber,
Rich man, miliionaire!
And this is four times g-o-o-d.
And so, my dear Esther-Rokhl, if I add that Chaim-Ber has drowned, well, you are a wise woman, and will immediately see that for so many times g-o-o-d one b-a-d is a mere trifle.
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I am getting a big kick out of these. And everyone else on this side of the screen loves them too.
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I am getting a big kick out of these. And everyone else on this side of the screen loves them too.
Thank you, Pedro. I was wondering if anybody notices.
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Thank you, Pedro. I was wondering if anybody notices.
Most just don't want to defile this thread i suppose. Reading & liking it!
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