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Old June 10th, 2016, 05:14 AM   #1
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Who are more prone to obsession with appearance: the attractive or the unattractive?


Suppose we have 100 socially deemed unattractive individuals, each one of them conscious of her/his unattractiveness -- how many of them (approx.) are obsessed with appearance?
Including at least one of the following:
.negative self-consciousness
.paying close attention to the appearances of others
.idolizing / craving certain phenotypes
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And 100 socially deemed attractive individuals, each one of them conscious of her/his attractiveness -- how many of them (approx.) are obsessed with appearance?
Including at least one of the following:
.narcissism
.jealous of equally or more attractive individuals of one sex
.contemptuous of less attractive individuals of both sexes
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The attractive, for certain.
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The 3 p's mundane lives strive for: pecunia (money), potentia (power), and pulchritudo (beauty). All are highly addictive. I emphasize pulchritudo because -
if you possess pecunia or/and potentia, few if any would genuinely love you just because of your money or/and power, although many would pretend to;
if you personify pulchritudo, many would genuinely love you.
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if you possess pecunia or/and potentia, few if any would genuinely love you just because of your money or/and power
This used to strike me as absolutely true and made me think money reduced the quality of life for a gregarious person. But then I realised money and power don't mask a person. They are a person's socio-economic value and role, and that's an important part of what makes a person who they are. Someone with money and power is just as capable of finding genuine love as someone without; it's just that a lot of their qualities are projected through it, because they can be, and as it's not intrinsically a 'part' of them people see it as somehow separate when it is no more separate than a talent or hobby.
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The 3 p's mundane lives strive for: pecunia (money), potentia (power), and pulchritudo (beauty). All are highly addictive. I emphasize pulchritudo because -
if you possess pecunia or/and potentia, few if any would genuinely love you just because of your money or/and power, although many would pretend to;
if you personify pulchritudo, many would genuinely love you.
Do you really think those who admire beauty are any more sincere than those who admire power or money? I know many who obsessed with beauty, but it is not love, merely lust, or something like it. And we know the beautiful aren't anymore charitable and magnanimous then those who aren't.
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This used to strike me as absolutely true and made me think money reduced the quality of life for a gregarious person. But then I realised money and power don't mask a person. They are a person's socio-economic value and role, and that's an important part of what makes a person who they are. Someone with money and power is just as capable of finding genuine love as someone without; it's just that a lot of their qualities are projected through it, because they can be, and as it's not intrinsically a 'part' of them people see it as somehow separate when it is no more separate than a talent or hobby.
That depends how you got your money and how long you have had it for. Someone who has been born into extreme wealth and never worked for money is unlikely to develop the personality traits of someone who has experienced not having money and having to work hard for it. In my experience (and I have a lot of experience in this regard believe me) people who have never known anything but wealth are very insulated from the outside world and are less likely to have capacity for empathy. The same is true for people who were once not well off, but have been wealthy without working for a long time: they forget what it was like to be less well off.

Also, because of the nature of life as someone with a lot of money or power (especially the latter), you tend to have very little control over your life in terms of who your friends are and what is expected of you. The President of America can't really be a normal person with a normal relationship to his wife, because he has nearly zero privacy and has little choice who he spends his time talking to.
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That depends how you got your money and how long you have had it for. Someone who has been born into extreme wealth and never worked for money is unlikely to develop the personality traits of someone who has experienced not having money and having to work hard for it. In my experience (and I have a lot of experience in this regard believe me) people who have never known anything but wealth are very insulated from the outside world and are less likely to have capacity for empathy. The same is true for people who were once not well off, but have been wealthy without working for a long time: they forget what it was like to be less well off.

Also, because of the nature of life as someone with a lot of money or power (especially the latter), you tend to have very little control over your life in terms of who your friends are and what is expected of you. The President of America can't really be a normal person with a normal relationship to his wife, because he has nearly zero privacy and has little choice who he spends his time talking to.
I think the same principles hold for those who have "grown" into their beauty. Not just the classic "ugly duckling into the beautiful swan" (how many of us remember the awkwardness of our appearance, especially pre and early puberty?), but also those who may have been objectively attractive, but due to low self esteem, did not feel or carry him/herself in such a way. Those people often seem to be more empathetic to things like beauty, or not, compared to those who have been doted on since childhood for their good looks and beauty.
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Do you really think those who admire beauty are any more sincere than those who admire power or money? I know many who obsessed with beauty, but it is not love, merely lust, or something like it.
I am talking about primeval love that may or may not sublimate itself.
Amor (=Eros/Cupid in classical mythology) is such a primordial force of nature that only Venus, the embodiment of beauty, could give birth to him.
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Both can be. Probably more of the attractive are as they are under pressure to maintain standards. Especially women in the public eye. They can often be crucified by mysogynistic media groups if they appear in public looking normal. So you'd be heartless to look down on them for being obsessed when so much rides on them looking good anyway.

I'm low down on the handsome charts, during my metal head phase (15-19) other than wearing band t shirts and having long hair I didn't really care about much else. Definitely not obsessed, by brief punk phase was almost completely about neglecting my appearance. My rockabilly/phsychobilly/Ted phase which lasted until my late 20s was more appearance obsessed. I'd have to make sure my hair was perfect at all times, only wear shirts and shoes of a few select retro brands.

Now I'm in my mid 30s and basically a skinhead with a mash up of rocker/mod/casual/metal clothes. Other than making sure my hair stays short I'm back to not caring.
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I think most people are not really aware exactly where on the attractiveness spectrum they reside except for those on the extreme ends. Really ugly people mostly give up and focus on other aspects of themselves while extremely attractive people come to rely on their looks and only with age or injury start to develop traits not focused on physical attractiveness.

That said almost everyone has some vanity or at least appreciates appearance even Saints who have no inflated self regard still bathe and maintain themselves if only to make dealing with people who have harsher judgements easier.

For vast majority of people who aren't celebrated beauties or stop and stare misfigured there is a wide range of regard to appearance more correlated to social status and life role/age.
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