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Old March 12th, 2010, 07:41 PM   #1

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I have recently come across a book entitled the races of Europe while on my search through the ethnic lineages. I am wondering what can be said about it. It seems to be rather racist and offencive, but what do you all know about it?
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I am wondering what can be said about it.
I think if I were standing between two groups, 100 randomly selected Swedes, and 100 randomly selected Greeks, but didn't know which was which, I could guess right which was which.
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I think if I were standing between two groups, 100 randomly selected Swedes, and 100 randomly selected Greeks, but didn't know which was which, I could guess right which was which.
I had an Introduction to Geography class during my freshman year of university. A girl in the class was arguing with the professor saying that Europeans were all Caucasians and therefore one race; that there was no real physical differences between them. The professor then asked me, knowing that I had spent some time in Europe, where I would guess the girl's family had come from. I said that if I had to make a guess I would say she was probably German, or possibly Scandinavian. She then admitted that her paternal grandfather was from Germany and her mother's side of the family was Finnish.

That was of course luck to some extent, but I think there certainly are some physical differences in people, even within Europe. For example, I know I tan a lot easier having a father from Southern Italy than my mother does whose background is mostly French and Irish.
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Speaking of geography, there is some disagreement about the origin of the word "race." There is the thought that it is from the Arabic ra's, meaning "head, beginning, origin" (cf. Heb. rosh)

I like that idea. The origin of the Mississippi River is Lake Itasca. But by the time it empties into the sea, it counts thousands of fathers.
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Lake Itasca. .
Veritas Caput meaning "true head"
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her mother's side of the family was Finnish.
Finnish and Hungarian have a language which has a lot in common.

The basque language is not related to any european language, where they live I cannot tell from the physical appearance who is Basque and who is not.

There is a thread on Historum about French being Celtic or not http://www.historum.com/showthread.php?t=10228
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I have recently come across a book entitled the races of Europe while on my search through the ethnic lineages. I am wondering what can be said about it. It seems to be rather racist and offencive, but what do you all know about it?
Not read the book, but it's only racist if it argues that one race is superior/smarter/prettier/etc. in some way.
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I had an Introduction to Geography class during my freshman year of university. A girl in the class was arguing with the professor saying that Europeans were all Caucasians and therefore one race; that there was no real physical differences between them. The professor then asked me, knowing that I had spent some time in Europe, where I would guess the girl's family had come from. I said that if I had to make a guess I would say she was probably German, or possibly Scandinavian. She then admitted that her paternal grandfather was from Germany and her mother's side of the family was Finnish.

That was of course luck to some extent, but I think there certainly are some physical differences in people, even within Europe. For example, I know I tan a lot easier having a father from Southern Italy than my mother does whose background is mostly French and Irish.
I agree with the girl. Just because someone is from Norway and the other person is from Greece doesn't mean they aren't from the same race. They are both European and Caucasian. You can however break down the European race into 3 categories ex. Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean, but they are still part of the same race.
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Not read the book, but it's only racist if it argues that one race is superior/smarter/prettier/etc. in some way.
Belisarius is of course absolutely right; it can't be determined if this or any other book is racist or not without reading at least some of it.
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Sounds like your jumping to conclusions if you think Coon is a racist. Read Madison Grant and Hans Günther and tell me if you still think Coon was a racist.

Regardless if I recall there was controversy regarding Coon's findings.

- in the Balkans, i.e. Coon never went to Albania and somehow managed to procure enough data to break down the entire nation into different taxonomic groups (?). In fact this was a reoccurring theme as Coon never went to most of those countries or never stuck around long enough to study the people in detail

- Was accused of having plagiarized some of William Ripley's work.

- Invented subtypes such as "Anglo-Saxon" that other taxonomists refute. North Atlantid is another as it is a very ambiguous phenotype.

- Coon's Pontid needs a lot of refinement

- Major overlapp of phenotypes... Dinarids in Bavaria, Balkans and Arabia? Alpines in Central Europe, Eastern Europe, Central Asia and Arabia!?!?


I think I would be up the entire night if I explained everything that was wrong with Coon and his book. Straight to the point, Coon these days is only mentioned on white supremacist websites and is rarely mentioned on anthropology-taxonomic websites (except for the terms he invented which have since been refined).
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