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Old December 29th, 2016, 07:17 PM   #41

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Should I mention the basa fillets and steaks that are from Vietnam? Some mention the aquacultural practices for producing basa are quite notorious as well.
Would you say Vietnam is poisoning the world?
Food safety is a major issue today.
The last time I check, nobody in the world actually warn/ban foods/goods from Vietnam unlike what they did to China. Dont lump us to your poisonous exporting country scale factory.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 07:40 PM   #42

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What do you know about living in America in the 1950s, 60s and 70s? Were you there? If not, please keep your ignorant remarks to yourself. I will comment anyway I please. I have no idea who you are referencing. You seem to be full of opinions and short on real ideas. Thanks for proving my point.
Since I don't have life experience in the USA, my knowledge is definitely secondhand.
Stephanie Coontz is a family historian; since her book title is the Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap, it may challenge some of your experiences.
Having life experience in an era does not necessarily mean you know all people's lives.
Welcome! - Author Stephanie Coontz
On the other hand, you have expressed your lack of experience about spiritual experience other than Christianity.
I don't mean to convert, but at least you can learn something about others' spirituality.
Now, I will share you something:
Since Buddhists realize that material existence is transitory, they will not cringe to all the achievements and possessions of the world.
Nirvana means transcendence beyond the cycle of lives during life rather than after death, and Buddhists do not depend on deities to attain nirvana.
On the other hand, I shall confess that I don't experience much during my life, either.
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Old December 30th, 2016, 08:59 AM   #43

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Since I don't have life experience in the USA, my knowledge is definitely secondhand.
Stephanie Coontz is a family historian; since her book title is the Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap, it may challenge some of your experiences.
Having life experience in an era does not necessarily mean you know all people's lives.
Welcome! - Author Stephanie Coontz.
Precisely my thought after I read your post and Googled the author and her book. I can't speak for her experience, but, I can speak for mine. I recall a different time in many ways. As for transitions, we have been through them before (e.g. The Great Depression to WW2, the regimented 1950s to the chaotic 1960s to the laid back 1970s, to the "me " generations spawned in the last 30 years or so). That's what makes history such a valuable field. It gives persepective.
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The same trend is present in the UK, as is a general rise in youth mental illness. I don't really see how 'why' can be a controversial question, though. Quality of life is shooting backwards. Walk into life with a life's worth of debt just to get your first step on the career ladder (or any job that pays a living wage). Your first step on the career ladder is likely your penultimate one as social mobility has ground to a halt. You might be able to buy a house by the time your children are old enough to leave it, and you'll probably die there a few weeks after you retire at 80. You devote almost all your waking life to paying a government that seems to actively despise you, and does less and less to deserve it. You have no time to do anything but sit in traffic and scowl at a screen or printer. Your kids think the babysitter's their mum and in winter you forget what the sun looks like. What a wonderful life.
Sounds like a bummer. Are "things" really that bad? There are plenty of "comb-over" problems on this side of the pond, but on a more mundane level life seems all right. A sense of hopelessness may have more to do with upbringing and instilling a sense of purpose and self-worth in one's children, and the knowledge that one can't reap the rewards without doing the hard work to earn them.
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Old December 30th, 2016, 03:47 PM   #45

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Reading it a little more carefully tells us that the suicide rate is at a high that has not been reached for 30 years.
So while worrying the fact is the rate is only the same as it was 30 years ago.
The suicide rate in the USA in 2015 was 13.2 which is the same figure it was in 1950, 1960, 1970 and 1980
Death Rates for Suicide, 1950?2010
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I think the reality facing the west is certain uncertainty.


It actually baffles me how true this is. Thanks to divorce, globalization, and how credit is used to drive the economy the west runs on certain uncertainty.

Millennials aren't stupid they know the reality.

You either become a white collar success, or you become trapped in an uncertain life as a blue collar.

The big problem is people try to use statistics to prove that these fates are not as bad as they sound.

The reality is its the lack of tangible security in ones life that is really causing the damage.

Humans are hard wired to improve their own lives, and when every tangible step forwards creates a huge liability it wreaks havoc with ones mind.

Your trapped between becoming a wal mart greater or being a mid-level gambler, hoping your student loan, your marriage, your mortage or your company doesn't leave you bankrupt by 50.

Its a hell of alot of pressure and the statistics don't lie.

If your not a "winner" the odds are clearly against you and its no longer a secret.

By being humble and playing it safe your hoping that a bad real estate market, a divorce etc doesn't **** you over.

The people with ambition line up hoping that they can catch onto a real estate bubble, or magically find a partner that gets better with age.

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In contrast in poorer countries you get very different trends.

1) There's a real chance things can actually improve on a tangible level. Even if its something as simple as getting running water you atleast have a logical frame of reference, versus in the west where your best hope is hacking a system.

2) You can get ahead by doing manual labor, instead of engaging in the mentally exhausting office work. Mental stress is directly tied into the nature depression etc.

3) Traditional family structures tend to endure, and relationship stability is way higher. Families are bigger, divorce rates are lower, and the odds that your family will be split up due to job opportunities is way better.

4) Unlike in the west competition isn't a winner take all situation. If everyone works hard productivity gains will transfer to a higher standard of living for your nation. In the west productivity has hit a hard limit, competition is actually severely messing up property values and the values of education.

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I think the reality facing the west is certain uncertainty.


It actually baffles me how true this is. Thanks to divorce, globalization, and how credit is used to drive the economy the west runs on certain uncertainty.

Millennials aren't stupid they know the reality.

You either become a white collar success, or you become trapped in an uncertain life as a blue collar.

The big problem is people try to use statistics to prove that these fates are not as bad as they sound.

The reality is its the lack of tangible security in ones life that is really causing the damage.

Humans are hard wired to improve their own lives, and when every tangible step forwards creates a huge liability it wreaks havoc with ones mind.

Your trapped between becoming a wal mart greater or being a mid-level gambler, hoping your student loan, your marriage, your mortage or your company doesn't leave you bankrupt by 50.

Its a hell of alot of pressure and the statistics don't lie.

If your not a "winner" the odds are clearly against you and its no longer a secret.

By being humble and playing it safe your hoping that a bad real estate market, a divorce etc doesn't **** you over.

The people with ambition line up hoping that they can catch onto a real estate bubble, or magically find a partner that gets better with age.

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In contrast in poorer countries you get very different trends.

1) There's a real chance things can actually improve on a tangible level. Even if its something as simple as getting running water you atleast have a logical frame of reference, versus in the west where your best hope is hacking a system.

2) You can get ahead by doing manual labor, instead of engaging in the mentally exhausting office work. Mental stress is directly tied into the nature depression etc.

3) Traditional family structures tend to endure, and relationship stability is way higher. Families are bigger, divorce rates are lower, and the odds that your family will be split up due to job opportunities is way better.

4) Unlike in the west competition isn't a winner take all situation. If everyone works hard productivity gains will transfer to a higher standard of living for your nation. In the west productivity has hit a hard limit, competition is actually severely messing up property values and the values of education.
The similar trend is happening in Japan, Korea, and Hong Kong.
In Japan, the "urban hermits" and the university graduates with dead-end jobs are common.
Similar phenomenon exists in Hong Kong.
White collar workers can be the low end receptionists and basic clerks.
Some people succeed by having technical jobs, such as plumbers, repair people, or people with sophisticated craftsmanship.
The want for better standard of living can be infinite, but we only have so much resources.
It also depends on your goals in life.
As one poster has stated, the university degree can be overrated, and some professions have excessive supplies, such as pharmacists.
Some suggestions for younger generations in the developed world:
1) Not all people are suitable for marriages and families, and these should not be the only goal in life. I am not brainwashed into believing that all people want to form families.
2) Lowering the material expectations; most of us have too many rather than too little.
3) Learning about health maintenance and reduce reliance on health professionals.
4) Lowering the material expectations and focus on spirituality; surely, I prefer the oriental spirituality of Buddhism, and I have greater respect for Taoism/Daoism than Christianity; even with these preference, I realize that Christianity fits some people.
The developed world has very much reached the plateau as far as standard of living is concerned.
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Old January 1st, 2017, 10:54 PM   #48
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But regular sex with someone you care about tends to cheapen those words.
Regular sex with several people you care about plus some you dont really care about is even better
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Old January 1st, 2017, 11:24 PM   #49

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I would agree but there is more, a lot more. Occupations in many fields that people took pride in and used as a way up have vanished.. College is no longer within the means of everyone who wants to improve themselves without the burden of risky and unpayable debt.

To contradict your assertions, kids do not work on cars as much as theyhad in years past. Cars are complex, uniform and govern by regulation. When was the last time you saw a backyard custom car? The art form has been abandon. Driving to show off is not the sport that it once was and drunk driving is more often the crime of the over 30 set.

What boys are working on is computers and playing video games. In dens, basements, bedrooms and garages all over the country there are boys with no other option other than employment in restaurants or the mall. They find themselves at home with no reason to go out and settle for playing games on consoles and computers.

30% of all children between the ages of 20 to 25 are still living at home with their parents. This is the time when they should be starting their own household and raising a family. Why risk marriage and the consequences of divorce when there is plenty of porno.

They play online and with their friends all day long and into the wee hours. Unless you are an actual computer savant, this virtual existence proves to be very empty, very empty indeed.

Add drugs or alcohol to this situation and things only get worse..
Sustainable living should be the goal of these people.
Blindly forming households and families? Not all people make responsible and reasonable parents, unfortunately.
There are many pursues beside games; funny, I quoted games a few years back automatically.
The Buddhist or Taoist spiritual pursues are great but not for all people.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 04:09 AM   #50

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Suicide rates rise as a terminal indicator of culture in decline; which happens for a variety of reasons.
They are loosing their religion. Or worst ...they have never had a religion..( hoax religion excluded ).. or they watched to much Dawkins and Hitchens atheistic claims..on TV channel
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