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Old January 9th, 2017, 06:29 AM   #71

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Not sure if I'm included with the ones with agenda but I was merely pointing out that "losing ones religion" is not automatically increasing suicides.
I tend to lean the other way. If not religion, some form of beliefs that inspire hope. It seems many young people have trouble finding hope in the western world today. Maybe it's an accelerated adultification, so that by the time they are 20 years old, they feel as if they have experienced it all. Those without real job prospects seem even more despairing. Maybe it is the standard of living the west has developed. Many believe it will be hard for the next generation or two to exceed it, and perhaps not even obtain it.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 07:06 AM   #72
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'It was more common...to have only a maid, and even the modest lower-middle class household would usually have a single servant - a young girl of thirteen or so from the local board school.' (Paterson 45). 'In 1900 a family like the Bowlers would have had not servants, but a maid-of-all-work. For some time now Joyce had been speculating about how the novelty of actually employing someone might work out. She had read the chapter on Mistress and Servant in Cassell's. "This talks about mutual respect" she wrote in her diary, "and not commanding or ordering the poor old servant about...Lots of people do have cleaning ladies (I've worked as a mother's help and nanny) so it isn't unheard of [in 1999]...we can get loads done..[and] i'm supposed to be doing other things, so possibly my hands will begin to heal, the cracks and sore skin may go away, perhaps i'll be able to do some sewing...Freed up by her maid-of-all-work, Joyce took a trip into town to see the Millais exhibition at the Nat Portrait Gallery.'
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Old January 9th, 2017, 08:53 AM   #73
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I tend to lean the other way. If not religion, some form of beliefs that inspire hope.
Surely, or something that gives meaning to life. It just don't seem to be religion around here. Or not the traditional evangelic lutheran version of Christianity at least.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 09:03 AM   #74
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Throughout the life of mankind, men and women shared the responsibility of work: making a living (survival). Only during the Victorian period in England did the culture emerge whereby men now aspired to provide for the household, whilst his wife could now focus on being a home maker (no doubt with at least one servant) and raising the children, and living a more refined and more 'feminine' life.
This has always been the ideal and how the landed gentry had lived for centuries, the difference is that in the 19th century the industrial revolution brought about a massive increase in wealth and more people could afford this lifestyle. It didn't represent a fundamental change in society's values, just an expansion of the middle class.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 09:44 AM   #75

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A related but irrelevant thing: is sofa a British or North American word?
Here in Canada, we call them couches, but the stores may say sofa.
Have you ever heard of sofa potatoes?
Is couch potato an uniquely American phenomenon?
By the way? I learn most of my exercises on the Internet anyway.
Its actually derived from an Arabic word first used by the French to describe this type of furniture.
In the UK it seems to be the same as in Canada both words are used, and the term couch potato is used to describe people who are addicted to the TV.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 09:51 AM   #76
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This has always been the ideal and how the landed gentry had lived for centuries, the difference is that in the 19th century the industrial revolution brought about a massive increase in wealth and more people could afford this lifestyle. It didn't represent a fundamental change in society's values, just an expansion of the middle class.
That is pretty much what i said, with the exception, that i didn't say there was a change in 'societies values'. Just a pertinent fact that was part of the discussion: about man being the provider since the dawn of time re-post 58.
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Right, those male warriors of all cultures of the world won't exist if men were not seen as the providers. Women empowerment as it is seen in the modern world is in view of gender equality which the Western Civilization sponsors. Admittedly other cultures create powerful female figures and heads, but, the formalization of those laws were forged in the West.
Men were and are the defenders, no.1. And are also the hunters; while females are the gatherers, broadly speaking.

'There are lots of facts and ideas about hunter-gatherers that are surprising and interesting. Many are controversial among anthropologists, and almost anything you generalize about hunter-gatherers will be contradicted by some tribe or group somewhere.'

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Why is it that so many young people in America don't want to live any more?

It only looks like many if you get them all in one place.
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Old January 10th, 2017, 07:55 PM   #79

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Why is it that so many young people in America don't want to live any more?

It only looks like many if you get them all in one place.
Certainly!
If the stories are impressive enough, ten tragedies among 100 million will still be shocking, but do they really represent the general trend?
Should we also look at inspiring stories of successes as well?
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On a more philosophical note, we can interpret the OP as young people who choose suicide. On a broader level, we can look at young people who are so involved with drugs/alcohol, that they risk their life by using. Almost like a death wish. In an even more benign sense, we can consider young adults who seem to have little motivation or drive to "live life." They have already quit living in almost every aspect but survival (eating, sleeping, etc.). I have seen a good deal of the latter two recently.
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