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Old January 10th, 2017, 07:24 PM   #611
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^In general how do Vietnamese consider the French colonization of their land? Among my perception of that is they were not very good colonizers because French Indochina was not well assimilated to their culture. A good colonizer should assimilate themselves to their colonial subject. I say Spain was good because they assimilated their culture to the Filipinos and if the Philippines is poor, the question is, is Spain that rich in Europe? They simply cannot give what they do not have.
Even under US control, people still fond of French regime more. Many refused to work for Americans because of the cultural clash and considered French culture to be much better than American culture. French used to be the second language, not English. While it's still horrible, French regime is seen in a lighter tone. They didnt touch hot topics and were less hated. Even in 1975 and later, many decided to live in France instead. France used to have a lot of cultural influence on Vietnam. In Vietnam, another word for prostitutes is "cave" which originated from the word "Cavalière". Heh, if Murica didnt happen then I think French culture would be still relevant.

Oh, another word for underwear in Vietnamese is "xi lip" and we borrowed it from the word "slip" which mean underwear in French. Most if not all of the vocabulary for foreign things we didnt have back then are borrowed from French such as concrete is "be tong" in Vietnamese which is borrowed from the word "béton".

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Even under US control, people still fond of French regime more. Many refused to work for Americans because of the cultural clash and considered French culture to be much better than American culture. French used to be the second language, not English. While it's still horrible, French regime is seen in a lighter tone. They didnt touch hot topics and were less hated. Even in 1975 and later, many decided to live in France instead. France used to have a lot of cultural influence on Vietnam. In Vietnam, another word for prostitutes is "cave" which originated from the word "Cavalière". Heh, if Murica didnt happen then I think French culture would be still relevant in Vietnam.

Oh, another word for underwear in Vietnamese is "xi lip" and we borrowed it from the word "slip" which mean underwear in French. Most if not all of the vocabulary for foreign things we didnt have back then are borrowed from French.
Thank you for this very enlightening post. On the basis of this presentation of your perspective by Vietnamese of French culture in their land, it appears that colonization wasn't that bad as other people like to portray it specially those socialist propagandists. Love of culture by others is not forced upon the people but is expressed because of affinity over it.

Nationalism naturally surface on any territory thus rebellion occurred. Even the French have their revolution.
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It was war of religion.
War against unarmed and powerless civilians?...

Western powers can be excused of everything, right?

And you were complaining about PC? You are really a champion of PC, as long as it is a pro Western powers' political correctness.

massacre of Jews="war of religion"...

Well, you are just dodging my questions and presenting excuses.
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Thank you for this very enlightening post. On the basis of this presentation of your perspective by Vietnamese of French culture in their land, it appears that colonization wasn't that bad as other people like to portray it specially those socialist propagandists. Love of culture by others is not forced upon the people but is expressed because of affinity over it.

Nationalism naturally surface on any territory thus rebellion occurred. Even the French have their revolution.
As long as you dont make the locals hate you to the core like Americans and their yolo approach.

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As long as you dont make the locals hate you to the core. While France did enslave people for their palm farmlands, they also sent professors, experts and explorers to teach and explore the "primitive" land. They built golf field and cabaret but they also built hospitals and western schools (many active schools and hospitals in Saigon are from French-Indochina era). They didnt directly handle the tax collecting and allow Vietnamese to do almost everything by themselves. France in a sense, respect the native cultures and did enlight the country to an extend, Murica just bombed everything to bits, from the royal palace to the whole old capital. US pushed so many rage buttons of Vietnamese and then talked about winning the native heart and soul. I mean, how? Even capitalism faction in Saigon hated America and wanted to kick America out after the war's over.
How did South Vietnam fail in spite of its superficial prosperity?
In spite of unprecedented level of development, Vietnam as a whole is still well behind major Chinese direct-controlled municipalities as far as developments are concerned.
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How did South Vietnam fail in spite of its superficial prosperity?
In spite of unprecedented level of development, Vietnam as a whole is still well behind major Chinese direct-controlled municipalities as far as developments are concerned.
Eh? What topic we are talking about?
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Eh? What topic we are talking about?
Two topics are involved here:
What South Vietnam was really like before it fell?
Why has Vietnam lagged behind China in development standards?
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Two topics are involved here:
What South Vietnam was really like before it fell?
Why has Vietnam lagged behind China in development standards?
China has grown faster than any other country in world history, Including US and Soviet Union or Japan.It is pretty a big ask to compare country to China.
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War against unarmed and powerless civilians?...

Western powers can be excused of everything, right?

And you were complaining about PC? You are really a champion of PC, as long as it is a pro Western powers' political correctness.

massacre of Jews="war of religion"...

Well, you are just dodging my questions and presenting excuses.
Not at all, it was war against religion at that time and I am not making any excuses. By today's standard, war over religion shall be a huge violation of the law of democracies, but there was no democracy yet at that time and that is not political correctness but historical fact. The Spaniards killed the Jews because there was religious war at that time. The war about ideology during those time was more of religious point of view than political and economic aspect of which and was the reason monarchs depleted the coffers of the kingdom the way King Richard of England was criticized of those attack he did against Saladin.

I am not discussing matters on the basis of political correctness but facts of the event as they transpired.
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Even under US control, people still fond of French regime more. Many refused to work for Americans because of the cultural clash and considered French culture to be much better than American culture. French used to be the second language, not English. While it's still horrible, French regime is seen in a lighter tone. They didnt touch hot topics and were less hated. Even in 1975 and later, many decided to live in France instead. France used to have a lot of cultural influence on Vietnam. In Vietnam, another word for prostitutes is "cave" which originated from the word "Cavalière". Heh, if Murica didnt happen then I think French culture would be still relevant.

Oh, another word for underwear in Vietnamese is "xi lip" and we borrowed it from the word "slip" which mean underwear in French. Most if not all of the vocabulary for foreign things we didnt have back then are borrowed from French such as concrete is "be tong" in Vietnamese which is borrowed from the word "béton".

Then tell your gook country to sever ties with us then! What are you waiting for?! I don’t understand. If you hate us, if we are bad people, if we are your enemy, why still have relations with us? Don’t be a hypocrite and while you’re at it tell the other countries to do the same thing!

Of course you’re never going to do this right? You’re just going to give me this right?
“Well you’ll just try to kill us again or you’ll stage a coup and replace our leader with one of your lapdogs”

Nothing ever gets through that thick skull of yours and others like you.

Oh and since you’re going to be severing ties with us maybe you could get your nearly 2M fellow gooks to move to another country, huh gook?
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