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Old January 1st, 2017, 11:58 AM   #11
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I think your attitude is perfectly normal and quite common, among ALL fairly intelligent and self aware people, world wide.

That is- I feel exactly the same way about a great majority of my fellow Americans.

I think anyone who is somewhat aware of themselves and their own failing, and is well and widely read can not help but be more aware of the failings of their own culture.

When my countrymen wax on about "American Exceptionalism" I am always mortified and embarrassed for their utter solipsistic idiocy. When they chant how the US is 'number one' at whatever, I feel my nation is one filled with imbeciles and jingoistic sheeple.

Whenever I travel abroad- I can spot an American from clear across the piazza by their poor dress, obesity, and overbearing manner, and I consider it a compliment that foreigners never take me for an American.

This is not to say that there aren;t many great things about America and Americans... but living amidst it all, I am simply far more galled by the more annoying aspects of my own country- and am far too ignorant of the annoying aspects of other countries, because I DON'T live there, immersed in their cultures.

So- no I don't think your attitude is all that unusual- especially in the light of the current political climate that seems to be sweeping thru Europe the UK and the US.

We are entering an ERA when nationalistic embarrassment will be the hallmark of the genuinely educated and world aware.
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Old January 1st, 2017, 12:03 PM   #12

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I'm British too, and i can see where you're coming from.

Actually, no, i think it's pretty common. Many people have issues with aspects of their native cultures, this is one reason why people emigrate or identify with other cultures.

I like the UK since we're not as racist or intolerant as other parts of the world (even in Europe), but then we still are a bit anti-intellectual and revere the Empire too much. We're also far less politically correct like Denmark or Sweden. It's also funny to see younger people do this, since they never really experienced it first-hand.
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Old January 1st, 2017, 12:04 PM   #13

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More p.c. talk. Lots of generalizations and stereotypes: except when it comes to them and their kind. Some who appear to self deprecate, in actuality,are attempting to show their self assumed superiority. I don't need the affirmation of others to feel ok with myself. And I am not out to impress others. Those who do are self loathing, in my opinion.
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Old January 1st, 2017, 12:08 PM   #14

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I had a classmate like that in grammar school, he never had a positive thing to say about our people or country. I thought, go on then, move to France or where ever you want to, we don't need folks like you. Such people are dangerous, they can serve as a 5th column to the nation. We suffered a lot in history because of such people, not even all that long ago, those Slovenes who pretended to be Germans hated other Slovenes the most and intentionally harmed them. I know we can't choose the place and people we're born to, some say it makes no sense to be proud of your heritage. I have no respect for such people. In times of big trouble they can easily have trouble with loyalty and noone likes traitors around, not even potentional ones. Alexander the Great killed the Persians who brought him the head of their own King for a reason.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 12:23 PM   #15

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I admire the way ya'll use the chip on your shoulder to kindle an argument.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 12:36 PM   #16
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I'm proud to be British, but always remember people will regard a nation by how YOU conduct yourself. I've only ever met friendly, polite Dutch so I have positive feelings towards the Netherlands. If those Dutch had been ride or obnoxious I may feel differently. But one should never judge a person by the country they were born in.
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Old January 1st, 2017, 12:58 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by LinguisticTraveller View Post
I am British yet I find most British people completely insufferable. Arrogant, sarcastic, sneering, self-serving, believe in nothing, often aggressive and very often foul mouthed too. I even find most British regional accents to be very irritating and grating.

I find you can tell a Brit easily even on forums just by the way they write, they always have this smug and arrogant tone.

Yet I get the impression most non-British people like the British character and sarcastic British humour, especially Americans and generally don't seem to relate to my dislike of my own country and culture.
First off, I sometimes feel the same way as you do, but I must point out the irony in calling others sneering and arrogant, and in the same breath accusing your countrymen of being 'insufferable' oiks with 'grating' regional accents. Accents are just accents, they have no ingrained positive or negative attributes beyond what you project on them based on your experiences with the people who use them.

Secondly, and more importantly: have you met many people from other countries? I think it's unpleasant human beings you dislike, not British people. There are unpleasant people in every country but there are also good people. The best way to find good people is to be a good person yourself. I don't know anything about you but it sounds like you don't really like your current circumstances and are casting around for a scapegoat to blame it on. If that is the case, I've definitely been there, and I can tell you that categorising people by their nationality, race, gender, religion, age, etc etc is not helpful or productive.
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Old January 1st, 2017, 01:17 PM   #18

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I find Brits tolerable. They might give us Americans some smack about our various issues, but they at least know they have some hard core history themselves in regards to holding power and applying force. I find Canadians to be hard to deal with. It seems to me so much of their identity depends upon regarding themselves as better than Americans.
My buddy went to a Magic the Gathering tournament in Victoria BC, and some Canadian guy complimented him by telling him he was surprisingly intelligent. He immediately understood the meaning, and wasn't surprised at all.

Of course, because of where I live I've met a lot of Canadians.
You know who I like – Israelis. I haven't met an Israeli yet that I didn't like.

I will say something I like about Brits. From the few I've met (I live near the Pacific Coast, and am not well traveled). I think you can strike up a conversation with a Brit about anything, and they will be interested in it. People in the US often don't want to talk about the news; politics, or history. They are perfectly happy with the latest Superhero movie or Video Game. I don't even like sports, with the exception of following the career of Ronda Rousey (sigh).
Anyway, Brits seem interested in issues that matter, which is something I like. I'm sure the quality of Historum would drop if they all left.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 02:21 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by paranoid marvin View Post
I'm proud to be British, but always remember people will regard a nation by how YOU conduct yourself. I've only ever met friendly, polite Dutch so I have positive feelings towards the Netherlands. If those Dutch had been ride or obnoxious I may feel differently. But one should never judge a person by the country they were born in.
It's also worth remembering that Britain is a very divided place. England has a very different culture to Scotland, for example: English people tend to be more outspoken and jovial, but also more individualistic, and are often either fiercely nationalistic or totally unpatriotic. Whereas Scottish people are more usually moderately patriotic. And of course the nation is split 50/50 about who they should be patriotic towards: Scotland or the UK. Also there is the referendum divide to consider, and the ethnic divide, and the class divide, and the urban/rural divide, and the North/South divide within England, plus Wales and Northern Ireland and their own internal divides. I don't think there are many generalisations you can make about 'British people', the UK is more like a federation of about 6 different countries than a single nation.

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Old January 1st, 2017, 02:41 PM   #20

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Originally Posted by Belgarion View Post
Imagine if the OP had said he was a black person.....
What would be the reaction necessarily?
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