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Old January 10th, 2017, 09:37 PM   #1

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Urban hermits in Japan and Hong Kong


Urban hermits is a term used to describe youths or younger people who do not seek employment, academic pursues, or other worthy activities.
They most likely indulge themselves in video games, the Internet, or other things that are deeded unproductive.
These are mostly otherwise normal people, but with the two extreme cases from people with Asperger's syndrome in the USA, we cannot really eliminate autistic spectrum disorder and other mental issues.
While urban hermits are often mentioned in Japan and Hong Kong, do they exist other parts of the developed world?
We would like to say "one tragedy is too many", but how realistic is that aspiration?
Have they always existed? Is it just a contemporary situation?
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Those people have always existed but modern life makes living it possible. Before this would have been an indulgence of the rich, poor and middle income teens would be expected/needed to work and have little choice.

Now however with computer games and state benefits you can get away with it.
The exist in the 3rd world to but I'd assume they are forced to work out of financial necessity.

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We all forgot about the American stereotype of 30 years old fat dudes living in the the basement or something? And there's a type of people who go out alot but doesnt contribute anything to the society.
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We all forgot about the American stereotype of 30 years old fat dudes living in the the basement or something? And there's a type of people who go out alot but doesnt contribute anything to the society.
Why Japan and Hong Kong keep on talking about these cases when there are precedents already?
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Those people have always existed but modern life makes living it possible. Before this would have been an indulgence of the rich, poor and middle income teens would be expected/needed to work and have little choice.

Now however with computer games and state benefits you can get away with it.
The exist in the 3rd world to but I'd assume they are forced to work out of financial necessity.
I'm not sure if those "urban hermits" in Japan and Hong Kong receive State benefits. Most people in that situation actually live off of their parents or family support, not the State.

And there is other reason people are not taking into account. Modern developed economies suffer a very high rate of youth unemployment and underemployment, simply because post-industrial heavily mechanised economies no longer need to employ as much people as they did in the past.

That's actually the future in front of us: expect more young people completely quitting their lives after they find themselves unable to find meaningful jobs, and just living by being involved in technological gadgets 24/7.
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Urban hermits is a term used to describe youths or younger people who do not seek employment, academic pursues, or other worthy activities.
They most likely indulge themselves in video games, the Internet, or other things that are deeded unproductive.

These are mostly otherwise normal people, but with the two extreme cases from people with Asperger's syndrome in the USA, we cannot really eliminate autistic spectrum disorder and other mental issues.
While urban hermits are often mentioned in Japan and Hong Kong, do they exist other parts of the developed world?
We would like to say "one tragedy is too many", but how realistic is that aspiration?
Have they always existed? Is it just a contemporary situation?
Describes my life quite well. There are so few jobs around, education is totally pointless and a degree isn't worth the paper its written on unless it's 100% vocational like medicine or engineering. I can see why some people in my situation barely ever go outside. I guess I don't really do anything 'productive', excepting some volunteering here and there. Besides, 'productive' is a subjective word, at least I'm not busily engaged in making the world a worse place like many very 'productive' people.

Anyway there are many people in much worse situations than myself and they need mental health outreach as well as social service provision, work experience placements etc as well as therapy. They exist in every industrialised nation on earth. To be honest I think America and Western Europe actually have worse problems than East Asia, since at least the problem in East Asia seems very much out in the open - I think it's because East Asia is such a collectivist place where 'deviant' individuals are seen as much more of a problem. Usually a bad thing but in this instance, it's better than simply allowing people to destroy themselves as Western society does.
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Describes my life quite well. There are so few jobs around, education is totally pointless and a degree isn't worth the paper its written on unless it's 100% vocational like medicine or engineering. I can see why some people in my situation barely ever go outside. I guess I don't really do anything 'productive', excepting some volunteering here and there. Besides, 'productive' is a subjective word, at least I'm not busily engaged in making the world a worse place like many very 'productive' people.

Anyway there are many people in much worse situations than myself and they need mental health outreach as well as social service provision, work experience placements etc as well as therapy. They exist in every industrialised nation on earth. To be honest I think America and Western Europe actually have worse problems than East Asia, since at least the problem in East Asia seems very much out in the open - I think it's because East Asia is such a collectivist place where 'deviant' individuals are seen as much more of a problem. Usually a bad thing but in this instance, it's better than simply allowing people to destroy themselves as Western society does.
Should employment and academic studies at schools really the only two options for younger people?
Volunteer works can certainly improve people's senses of self-worth, create social networks, and introduce people to environments of employments.
Even so areas of high demands are oversupplied with graduates, such as pharmacy, accounting, and social work.
Let's investigate different areas of pursues that are not necessarily pecuniary:
Playing musical instruments and composing
Monastic living
Other artistic approaches
Devotion in one area of study with pecuniary potentials.
In a matter of fact, we have quite a few dying trades and crafts, and why we do not organize our youths to learn and acquire them?

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I'm not sure if those "urban hermits" in Japan and Hong Kong receive State benefits. Most people in that situation actually live off of their parents or family support, not the State.

And there is other reason people are not taking into account. Modern developed economies suffer a very high rate of youth unemployment and underemployment, simply because post-industrial heavily mechanised economies no longer need to employ as much people as they did in the past.

That's actually the future in front of us: expect more young people completely quitting their lives after they find themselves unable to find meaningful jobs, and just living by being involved in technological gadgets 24/7.
Some of them may be mentally disabled or have something attention deficit disorder or autistic spectrum disorder, but I doubt if they receive state benefits for these disabilities, at least in Hong Kong.
Why are we complaining about the shrinking and aging population when we don't have enough jobs for the younger generation?
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Describes my life quite well. There are so few jobs around, education is totally pointless and a degree isn't worth the paper its written on unless it's 100% vocational like medicine or engineering. I can see why some people in my situation barely ever go outside. I guess I don't really do anything 'productive', excepting some volunteering here and there. Besides, 'productive' is a subjective word, at least I'm not busily engaged in making the world a worse place like many very 'productive' people.

Anyway there are many people in much worse situations than myself and they need mental health outreach as well as social service provision, work experience placements etc as well as therapy. They exist in every industrialised nation on earth. To be honest I think America and Western Europe actually have worse problems than East Asia, since at least the problem in East Asia seems very much out in the open - I think it's because East Asia is such a collectivist place where 'deviant' individuals are seen as much more of a problem. Usually a bad thing but in this instance, it's better than simply allowing people to destroy themselves as Western society does.
At least you are volunteering. I work in HR and recruitment, and we are generally fine with young adults who have employment gaps. It's just that there has to be a good reason for the gap, like studying, volunteering, or even just looking but not hearing back from employers due to economic reasons or lack of experience - those don't count as being hermit and not doing anything. Anyone who admits to or sends the message in an interview that they are just loafing is blacklisted for life.
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I'm not sure if those "urban hermits" in Japan and Hong Kong receive State benefits. Most people in that situation actually live off of their parents or family support, not the State.

And there is other reason people are not taking into account. Modern developed economies suffer a very high rate of youth unemployment and underemployment, simply because post-industrial heavily mechanised economies no longer need to employ as much people as they did in the past.

That's actually the future in front of us: expect more young people completely quitting their lives after they find themselves unable to find meaningful jobs, and just living by being involved in technological gadgets 24/7.
No. I was referring more to the west there. Japan is very tight with state benefits. Only single parents and disabled I think. Japan replaces state benefits by a culture of living with your parents til you marry. You don't get a job you are unlikely to marry, if they don't marry like as not they will live if mum and Dad.
They call them parasite kids.
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