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Old February 18th, 2017, 02:20 PM   #21

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If someone didn't like the wimpy sendentary thing, he could eat healthy and devote his after-work hours to some sort of exercise regimen.
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Old February 18th, 2017, 02:24 PM   #22

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If someone didn't like the wimpy sendentary thing, he could eat healthy and devote his after-work hours to some sort of exercise regimen.
I agree, but it does take discipline. Working in the fields and having little to eat greatly increased one's chance to not be "wimpy." Sometimes, desk jobs, which can be long and stressful, tire you to the point where it is a challenge to find the motivation to do exercise. And then there is all the unhealthy snacking that goes on for some while they work at their cubicle.
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Old February 18th, 2017, 09:21 PM   #23

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Having recently been reading some archaeological material on skeletons from the medieval Morea, I can confirm to you that the bones of both men and women showed evidence of heavy physical labour. They also showed evidence of dying young and a veritable host of systemic and infectious diseases so life was probably pretty miserable by just about any modern standard.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 09:43 AM   #24
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We are often labelled as wimpy and sedentary in comparison with our ancestors, and is this valid at all?
Many of us hold sedentary jobs, and our daily activities are much less strenuous than our ancestors.
For example, the introduction of washing machines and dryers both save physical works and energies.
Many of us are apartment dwellers who do not worry about backyard issues.
Are we really a group of couch potatoes?
I think the labels are not valid, sort of like putting a label of crabmeat on a can of catfood, or putting a label of catfood on a can of crab meat.

Sometimes by accident or by chance the labels will actually determine the contents, often times they do not.

It is more work to get to know people individually, but you are more likely to not mislabel them that way, if being accurate and truthful is important to you.

Sometimes sedentary jobs can be very stressful, look at the vicious politics that is routinely played in offices. It may not be the same sort of physically challenging as many of the past had, but it still can be very exhausting.

Here is an idea, do some research of how the cleansing of clothes has changed over times, the Roman matron probably had slaves to wash her clothes, in some times the clothes were worn longer and dirtier, Even the pioneers probably had wash tubs and other labor saving implements rather than having to go down to the river and beat your clothes against rocks.

Every innovation that stuck probably did so because it saved labor, or made the labor you performed more efficient. Eventually we have come to a point where people can afford to spend hours in front of the teevee, or computor being passive spectators on the one hand or participants in some sort of virtual reality. Or people can spend the hours saved however they like. Your choice.

People are more than couch potatoes, Why do so many choose to watch?

I have heard that it is a vicarious thrill, that people watching have signs of participating in the things they watch, yet without the real dangers that actually doing those things would entail. So the person who some may call a couch potato in the course of an evening may have seen multiple murders, and solved multiple mysteries, and that might be an ego boost, along with the regal thrill of having minions perform for you, as if you are a king or a queen being courted by hopefuls.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 01:54 PM   #25
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People were tougher and generally more resilient (physically and perhaps emotionally) in the past, but people also died younger and lead lives that were equally difficult. War, disease, work accidents, malnutrition, child bearing, and superstition were the results of so many deaths that fortunately, do not impact as many lives as they used to.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 02:37 PM   #26

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Well, in addition to less activity we have sooooo many more calories in the common diet. Yes, you do have to hold people accountable for being overweight but it is more involved than that. Most people, for various reasons, don't have the self discipline to eat right and exercise. Or. lets put it this way, it takes probably 2 hours of activity to burn off the calorie of a large meal from McDonalds, 3 hours if it is a low impact exercise like walking.

So, of course we need to become more active as a society. But we also need to address our problem with food issues. The excessive calories in our society should be addressed with the same level of seriousness that we address to cigarette smoking and drunk driving.

It has been said many times in this thread, there are a lot of athletic people out there. So obviously it is possible to be in good shape. What we need are changes to society and our order or priorities or values. Not lip service but real change.
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Old February 19th, 2017, 03:58 PM   #27

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I'm going to play devil's advocate here a bit. I don't think we are wimpier than previous generations, nor are they inherently tougher than us. The reason they were ''tougher'' was because life was uncompromising for almost everyone, they didn't have a choice, we do. If you put all wusses of my generation (15-40 year old's as a reference) in the same circumstances as their ancestors most will eventually prevail, it might be rough at first, there will be some break downs and what not, maybe some crying involved, but most will get through it, there's no choice.
Tough times breed tough men and women, same would apply if things got difficult today, and lets not forget another important maxim. We live in a world of luxury and ease because our ancestors as a whole didn't wish to continue to slog it out over and over again in pain and misery, the world we have inherited is a reflection of those inner desires and hatreds that have fueled mankind for thousands of years. Obesity? We have it because food has been so scarce for most of human history, obesity is merely the consequence of humans striving to never be hungry again and having to nearly kill themselves toiling to not go hungry. All the nice and fancy medical advances are a result of thousands of years of pain, misery, and frustration with diseases that were incurable and that took millions of loved ones with them. We live nicely and with great gusto because previous humans wanted out of the grueling non wimpy life which just made people tired, dead and miserable. We'd all stop being wimpy overnight if there was another world war and we had to do unspeakable deeds again and make impossible decisions again, thankfully we don't have to make those decisions again.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here a bit. I don't think we are wimpier than previous generations, nor are they inherently tougher than us. The reason they were ''tougher'' was because life was uncompromising for almost everyone, they didn't have a choice, we do. If you put all wusses of my generation (15-40 year old's as a reference) in the same circumstances as their ancestors most will eventually prevail, it might be rough at first, there will be some break downs and what not, maybe some crying involved, but most will get through it, there's no choice.
Tough times breed tough men and women, same would apply if things got difficult today, and lets not forget another important maxim. We live in a world of luxury and ease because our ancestors as a whole didn't wish to continue to slog it out over and over again in pain and misery, the world we have inherited is a reflection of those inner desires and hatreds that have fueled mankind for thousands of years. Obesity? We have it because food has been so scarce for most of human history, obesity is merely the consequence of humans striving to never be hungry again and having to nearly kill themselves toiling to not go hungry. All the nice and fancy medical advances are a result of thousands of years of pain, misery, and frustration with diseases that were incurable and that took millions of loved ones with them. We live nicely and with great gusto because previous humans wanted out of the grueling non wimpy life which just made people tired, dead and miserable. We'd all stop being wimpy overnight if there was another world war and we had to do unspeakable deeds again and make impossible decisions again, thankfully we don't have to make those decisions again.
Excellent points Mark. What we have today is the result of our ancestors looking for ways to make life better and easier. Given the chance our ancestors would certainly take advantage of todays technology to make life easier on themselves. Natural disasters and warfare have shown us on numerous occasions that when things get tough modern people are capable of rising to the occasion, so a relatively easy life does not necessarily lead to 'wimpiness'.
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Old February 20th, 2017, 05:00 AM   #29

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I do believe most in the past were forced to be tough, because life was unyielding. You either got tough or died, if you were an average joe. There was little in the way of charity, except for perhaps a church or close family/neighbors. And I doubt this charity was for an extended time, so one had to buck up or perish. Therefore, many young men in the past were likely stronger than our contemporary generation. Today's access to nutrition could give us an edge today, but, then, many eat and drink poorly. I doubt there were many obese people in the past - unless you were very well off, financially.
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That was the reason obesity used to be equated with wealth in certain cultures, like in the Philippines.
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