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Old April 19th, 2017, 07:53 PM   #1

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Does patriarchy bring more good or more bad for society?


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Much has been said about patriarchy in philosophy, biology, literature, and elsewhere. Let us think beyond the word and the term; let us consider the notion in itself, according to observation, experience, examination, and evidence. My question is brief and succinct: does patriarchy bring more good or more bad for society? One may also put the question otherwise: do males naturally dominate in nature and society, and is this useful or harmful, or is it merely natural? The answer may also be considered within the scope of feminism, which objects to the notion in theory and practice.
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Harm.To ignore half the available brain power. Manifestly stupid,
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Are women part of society? I imagine patriarchy is a bit less...useful and beneficial, when you're not considered a legal entity.
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I prefer a non-patriarchal society because I believe it gives both men and women more freedom. On the other hand, I would say modern western societies are in a shift from patriarchy so a non-patriarchal society and this can lead people to feel a bit lost and not know how they fit into society.



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Are women part of society? I imagine patriarchy is a bit less...useful and beneficial, when you're not considered a legal entity.
I probably agree with you on this subject overall but I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. I mean, there were patriarchal societies in which women were allowed to own property, carry out legal disputes and things like that.

I mean even early 20th century America after women got the right to vote could probably be considered patriarchal as well as many traditional societies today where some women hold political office.
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I prefer a non-patriarchal society because I believe it gives both men and women more freedom. On the other hand, I would say modern western societies are in a shift from patriarchy so a non-patriarchal society and this can lead people to feel a bit lost and not know how they fit into society.





I probably agree with you on this subject overall but I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. I mean, there were patriarchal societies in which women were allowed to own property, carry out legal disputes and things like that.

I mean even early 20th century America after women got the right to vote could probably be considered patriarchal as well as many traditional societies today where some women hold political office.
But was that beneficial to anyone in any particular instance?
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Sorry, I don't really understand the question. I guess it's been a stressful day or something.
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Sorry, I don't really understand the question. I guess it's been a stressful day or something.
No problem, it's the same here too

It's a reference to the OP's question. We can all agree, I believe, that patriarchy isn't necessarily a zero-sum game; some patriarchal societies have more opportunities and options for women, others don't entirely. Is there a possible patriarchal society or system then that could be beneficial for society? I personally don't think such a system exists.
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No problem, it's the same here too

It's a reference to the OP's question. We can all agree, I believe, that patriarchy isn't necessarily a zero-sum game; some patriarchal societies have more opportunities and options for women, others don't entirely. Is there a possible patriarchal society or system then that could be beneficial for society? I personally don't think such a system exists.
I suppose it served as a bridge from primitive societies to the industrial societies we have today, which allow us more freedom. I prefer the freedom of a non-patriarchal society. It remains to be seen if some day maybe in the distant future there will be a breakdown of society that causes people to revert to the patriarchy and how things will turn out in the long run.
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I think that patriarchy is quite a disadvantage to a society, and don't really see any advantages to it. I mean, it is based on locking out a large proportion of the population (women, and not just them, but also younger men). That alone is a massive disadvantage. Of course, most patriarchal societies aren't 100% patriarchal, but still, they lose a large proportion of their potential compared to a more equal society.
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I suppose it served as a bridge from primitive societies to the industrial societies we have today, which allow us more freedom. I prefer the freedom of a non-patriarchal society. It remains to be seen if some day maybe in the distant future there will be a breakdown of society that causes people to revert to the patriarchy and how things will turn out in the long run.
I think you are right in regard to the bridge patriarchy has built; the word we should really examine is society. The ethnologist J.D. Unwin, in his famous book Sex and Culture, studied 80 primitive societies and 6 civilized societies and found that the nature of the society was determined by women's sexuality in particular, which Freud had also concluded earlier in his own psychological studies. Unwin concluded that "The whole of human history does not contain a single instance of a group becoming civilized unless it has been absolutely monogamous, nor is there any example of a group retaining its culture after it has adopted less rigorous customs". Aldous Huxley also observed from the study that "The cultural condition of a society rises in exact proportion as it imposes pre-nuptial and post-nuptial restraints upon sexual opportunity."


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I think that patriarchy is quite a disadvantage to a society, and don't really see any advantages to it. I mean, it is based on locking out a large proportion of the population (women, and not just them, but also younger men). That alone is a massive disadvantage. Of course, most patriarchal societies aren't 100% patriarchal, but still, they lose a large proportion of their potential compared to a more equal society.
I understand this is a moral view. But let us attempt to examine the thing in other respects. Is it possible to trace patriarchy to nature itself and all male animals? And is patriarchy a system that can serve any useful function in human society?

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