DwnSouthJukin

"Freedom = freedom to do things you or I don't like as long as it doesn't violate the God given rights as specified in our Constitution's Bill Of Rights. (speaking from the USA perspective of course)"

You're calling roads & track pickup "subsidizing"....which isn't really the case now is it?

I think the business owner & the potential employee have the same freedoms. The government should have no say in telling one who to hire or the other who to work for.....freedom!

I will say I think this rule changes (In DwnSouthJukin's perfect world of course) when we go from private business owners to corporations. Corporations get so big & affect so many people's lives that it crosses the line into institutional discrimination....something strictly forbidden by the Constitution.

The Supreme court has recently ruled that Corporations are to be treated as private citizens.....I cant say I agree with that though.

Also, try asking people what they think, not telling them.

Sharks and love

How does this explain why private places can discriminate and public ones can't?

That's exactly what it is. The public, including blacks/atheists/protestants/catholics people, pays for/furnishes/assists with/subsidizes the roads, the police, fire protection, trash pickup and other things for the private businesses.

The point is, people are paying for the services provided for private businesses. If private businesses discriminate, then you get wound up in some situation where a black person, a protestant, a mormon, an atheist, a gay person, are paying for services that they cannot use.

DwnSouthJukin

Private = citizen, public = government

No, thats not a subsidy:


No, its not. You want it to be, but its not.

Once we get past the basics (murder, rape, theft, etc...) I don't want the government deciding what is acceptable behavior. That has led to bad places too many times.....all in the name of "fairness" too.

Edgewaters

From your own link:

Infrastructure subsidies

In some cases, subsidy may refer to favoring one type of production or consumption over another, effectively reducing the competitiveness or retarding the development of potential substitutes. For example, it has been argued that the use of petroleum, and particularly gasoline, has been subsidized or favored by U.S. defense policy, reducing the use of alternative energy sources and delaying their commercial development.

In other cases, the government may need to improve the public transport to ensure Pareto improvement is attanied and sustained. This can therefore be done by subsidising those transit agencies that provide the public services so that the services can be affordable for everyone. This is the best way of helping different groups of disabled and low income families in the society.

Planners make decisions about roads that inescapably favour one type of production/consumption over another - do you spend on accomodating more vehicles on the road? Do you spend on transit and other alternatives? Where is traffic directed?

For instance, the phenomena of box stores fundamentally relies on box stores being favoured by a certain type of city planning - usually at the expense of small business.

DwnSouthJukin

Sorry but that still doesn't make using a public highway a subsidy.

Edgewaters

It sure does - motorists are subsidized.

Bismarck

If it is a 'public highway' then public money was used to build it.

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DwnSouthJukin

Ok, fine. I think you're wrong to say that counts as a subsidy but ok.

Does this means you're supporting Sharks theory that we need an ideology test for anyone using a public road, drinking public water, using a public sidewalk, etc...?

Edgewaters?

Zeno

And to maintain it.