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Old June 19th, 2017, 10:26 AM   #1
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Do you think Europe and North America will go back to traditionalism and embrace the traditional western values such as moral universalism and the family values of the past or will they go more towards postmodernism.
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Old June 19th, 2017, 11:13 AM   #3

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I think there is already a trend toward moral universalism just not based on past morality.

Family values are done as it used to be defined especially in Europe (there are large areas of the U.S. holding out but aside from immigrants hardly any Europeans of child bearing age see older family values as useful) but that doesn't mean the replacement is terrible though I don't think we know yet what the new family values are- people are still trying to figure that out.
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I think that we'll see a move towards traditionalism. Or at least I hope so. Otherwhise postmodernism will doom us.
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What I see is a definite decline in global power of both, Europe and US.

Demographically and economically, they're like too heavy trucks, confronted by crazy driving cars.
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What are traditional Western values such as families of the past? Traditional Western family values carry strict gender roles and socially accepted biological truths. A family living along traditional Western family values include a male breadwinner and an obedient wife. The man is superior and the woman accepts her biological and social inferiority. Advertisements mirror their world and shows what society is like, and these exemplify your families of the past:

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It is a concept and past worthy of romanticism only when compared to supposed SJW interpretations of family values (or lack thereof) or disintegrated families that aren't representative of any majority. The West is better off supporting and cementing Modern Western family values - an ideal of two strong breadwinner parents, if you like then an alpha male and an independent female, and their healthy children.
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Do you think Europe and North America will go back to traditionalism and embrace the traditional western values such as moral universalism and the family values of the past or will they go more towards postmodernism.
Are they really the only two possibilities?
I don't think we are going back to traditional values. Would anyone really want all of them, and different people might like to see different ones return? I wouldn't mind a return of classical scholarship, grammar and the word 'music' implying classical rather than ephemeral pop songs, but I certainly don't want to get back the racism, xenophobia, sexism, deference to so-called superiors etc.
On the other hand is post-modernism really something that would shape attitudes for most people, or is it just a fad in parts of some academic spheres?
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What are traditional Western values such as families of the past? Traditional Western family values carry strict gender roles and socially accepted biological truths. A family living along traditional Western family values include a male breadwinner and an obedient wife. The man is superior and the woman accepts her biological and social inferiority. Advertisements mirror their world and shows what society is like, and these exemplify your families of the past:

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It is a concept and past worthy of romanticism only when compared to supposed SJW interpretations of family values (or lack thereof) or disintegrated families that aren't representative of any majority. The West is better off supporting and cementing Modern Western family values - an ideal of two strong breadwinner parents, if you like then an alpha male and an independent female, and their healthy children.
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Well the world has had more males than it has today.
Many males are turning, they are them
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What I see is a definite decline in global power of both, Europe and US.

Demographically and economically, they're like too heavy trucks, confronted by crazy driving cars.




I agree with your
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Do you think Europe and North America will go back to traditionalism and embrace the traditional western values such as moral universalism and the family values of the past or will they go more towards postmodernism.
If there were no immigration eventually they would because those are the only people who have more than 1-2 kids.

But due to immigration the people there now will simply cease to exist over time. Economy will get worse and worse and eventually implode as the population rises and demographics change, and then it will be like india basically and the only ones who will even want to have kids will people people from third world countries at that point.

I think that is why leftists love immigration so much. They know that they can't win in the end because their lifestyle/values are not really self sustaining, but if they can import foreigners at will then they can get them on their side and get their way.
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