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Old December 27th, 2017, 05:16 PM   #221
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I think for me, I don't have a problem seeing it as an "Advanced Non-Human Technology" under intelligent control; neither do most people who see real UFOs. We need to get beyond the often disingenuous, statement that:

"It could just be anything --a phenomenon we don't understand, thus unidentified"

It is technology under intelligent control, compeletely different from our technology and anything in earthly inventories, vastly superior (no one knows just how much), and has been here for a long time. I would call that ALIEN. I don't even think it is coming from far away, in fact, I suspect it created "life" here and elsewhere and is monitoring it over time.

I don't bother to even look at most modern footage or photos, unless I am sure it is likely to be real.

Ultimately these kind of arguments are like eating a taco with a scientist and they argue that it isn't a taco, it is a tortilla with meat, onion and spices. Gimmee a break.

Well, tortillas are soft; taco shells are hard, unless they are breakfast tacos, in which case they are soft. LOL.
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Old December 27th, 2017, 05:26 PM   #222

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Well, tortillas are soft; taco shells are hard, unless they are breakfast tacos, in which case they are soft. LOL.

I'm not expressing frustration at you, but at the whole situation. Looking through the old material, I practically had to slap myself with astonishment at the similarity of the arguments of die-hard skeptics during past mass UFO sightings to those of today. It is some kinda new Myers-Briggs category of Hyper-Sensors and Judgers that absolutely MUST see it for themselves or they WILL NOT believe other people; the countless numbers of witnesses and other evidence. Even when it became a joke and worthy of ridicule during "airship" and "balloons under perfect control" mass sightings in the late 19th century and red stars contained in translucent cigar-shaped bodies moving at extreme speed and such.. It is the same prattle that Hynek rattled off during the Michigan UFO wave, and later he came to realize that UFOs are REAL.

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Hynek is at 21:33 Here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4I4tKI2Ea-U

Excellent documentary.
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I'm not expressing frustration at you, but at the whole situation. Looking through the old material, I practically had to slap myself with astonishment at the similarity of the arguments of die-hard skeptics during past mass UFO sightings to those of today. It is some kinda new Myers-Briggs category of Hyper-Sensors and Judgers that absolutely MUST see it for themselves or they WILL NOT believe other people; the countless numbers of witnesses and other evidence. Even when it became a joke and worthy of ridicule during "airship" and "balloons under perfect control" mass sightings in the late 19th century and red stars contained in translucent cigar-shaped bodies moving at extreme speed and such.. It is the same prattle that Hynek rattled off during the Michigan UFO wave, and later he came to realize that UFOs are REAL.
Todd scientists denied that meteors were real for a century despite that fact that everyone can see them falling if they just looks for them - people in the past were "doubtless" hallucinating them .

As I've said Todd I've seen a UFO and with a group of a dozen. Strange things happened that night. I saw a giant meteor flying across the sky at about double tree height and that as about 1/4 of an oak tree wide. I've never seen another meteor flying across the sky rather than just falling.

I also saw at least one person go to crazy town that night claiming he had seen wings frogs. Hearsay accounts though evidence are always very weak evidence.
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Todd scientists denied that meteors were real for a century despite that fact that everyone can see them falling if they just looks for them - people in the past were "doubtless" hallucinating them .

As I've said Todd I've seen a UFO and with a group of a dozen. Strange things happened that night. I saw a giant meteor flying across the sky at about double tree height and that as about 1/4 of an oak tree wide. I've never seen another meteor flying across the sky rather than just falling.

I also saw at least one person go to crazy town that night claiming he had seen wings frogs. Hearsay accounts though evidence are always very weak evidence.
Then you are a lucky one, too! I wish everyone had a chance to have a real UFO experience. Except for the winged frog freakout! Yikes.. That sounds like some LSD freakouts I have seen in halcyon days of yore. Still, it is amazing how extensive contact has been.. It's not as if we were visited by A probe one or two times.

I've been experiencing something akin to survivors guilt I think, and it's a strange feeling. Surely someone like Hynek or Hawking should deserve to see what I did.

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The extensiveness of contact bolsters my theory that this planet has been visited for a very long time, objects might be coming from not far away. --some kind of base, or some situation where distance is not a big issue. MacKinnon's discoveries fit in, as does the behavior of our "visitors", i.e. possible creators.

As I've mentioned before, I think they are in our oceans and big lakes.
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Said it before , I'll say it again, if an ancient saw what I did on 5-14-2010, they would absolutely believe that they had been visited by the gods. Absolutely. Interestingly, it's easy to remember the date I saw them --they appeared in a line of five first, incredibly bright (May), then in echelon formation (1 and 4) (14) as in my avatar (looks VERY much like them).
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