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Old August 17th, 2017, 05:48 AM   #11

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Sometimes people forget you have to actually be beautiful for the privilege to work.
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Old August 17th, 2017, 06:23 AM   #12

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Sometimes people forget you have to actually be beautiful for the privilege to work.
Yet, lips that don't touch liquor are highly unlikely to touch theirs too, so they are in a fine bind!
No, but everyone is beautiful inside.
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Yet, lips that don't touch liquor are highly unlikely to touch theirs too, so they are in a fine bind!
No, but everyone is beautiful inside.
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This is more like it!

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Old August 30th, 2017, 06:30 AM   #14

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An interesting trend among teenage girls. They consider themselves to be (#)feminists, irregardless of any beauty privilege they may or may not possess:

https://www.advocate.com/women/2017/...el-study-finds

It looks like Role models for women can improve their self esteem or view of their gender.
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Good looks are more than just physical attributes; a certain amount of "glamour" or illusion goes into it too. If one is confident and appears to be content and happy and desired, and BELIEVES it, it manifests in one's carriage and charismatic power. Probably also good to draw a distinction between "beauty" in the abstract sense, and attractiveness.
That's an interesting thought, narcissism and self obsession might explain the personality of Caesar et al. It takes a certain type of lunatic to recite poetry to pirates and then tell them their ransom price is too low. No wonder the senate stabbed him.

Hitler is another good example of deluded vanity, what with being the mythical saviour of Germany. I suppose most power hungry tyrants had ego problems, and a lot of politicians too.

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An interesting trend among teenage girls. They consider themselves to be (#)feminists, irregardless of any beauty privilege they may or may not possess:

https://www.advocate.com/women/2017/...el-study-finds

It looks like Role models for women can improve their self esteem or view of their gender.
To me, modern feminism associates with hypocrisy. A little bit of NSFW language ( from 1.42 )

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To me, modern feminism associates with hypocrisy. A little bit of NSFW language ( from 1.42 )

It's a curious situation. Marriage was declining for quite some time. More children being born out of wedlock; a trend that is increasing. About a 50% divorce rate, with more divorces initiated by women. Women are attempting to compete with men in the workplace, while maintaining the trappings of femininity. The clothes, hair makeup, shoes, etc. are things that would mark a man as different in the traditional workplace or cause him to be ostracized. With women, femininity and feminine trappings are part of feminism, apparently empowering women to express themselves, while not attracting male attention, which is abhorrent. Strip clubs, posing, nude, gyrating on stage and expressing sexuality, e.g. Madonna, All are apparently part of feminism...
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There are also VERY different norms that men and women have at the workplace; any kind of bro code or male norms of interaction and respect are not recognized by women, at all.. Men, also, likely do not conform to the norms women are used to, discussing topics that might make some women uncomfortable. I think it is a hard thing, and cobbling things together and stumbling forward is all that can be done, I think..

In a cost benefit analysis, I am happy to spend my time alone, now. I've seen no difference in the way mostly women workplaces treat men, as an all-male workplace treats the few women, call it hypocrisy if you will, but women are just people too.

Are men, forcing women to dress up and pose all over the front of magazines?? If so, that needs to stop, and I apologize for any role I may have had with that :
https://www.google.com/search?biw=16...k1.eMzpFCMPzRU

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Looks will open doors for you, but good looks will not help you make good decisions, and good looks can make others resent you, especially if they don't have good looks and feel the doors should have been opened for them.
+1.

attractiveness is an advantage but will not make or break you.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 07:28 AM   #20

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So I am still confused..

We've been asked to believe that women are struggling in school and can't get a word in edgewise on boys, yet...:
https://www.google.com/search?source...k1.u_GCBAr1Lbs

We've been told that women make better managers, yet...:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ess-desirable/

We've been told that women are better multitaskers, better in business situations, managers etc. yet...:

"Why do so few women edit Wikipedia articles?
Two professors, Julia Bear of Stony Brook University’s College of Business and Benjamin Collier of Carnegie Mellon University in Qatar, decided to explore the issue from the perspective of women who had been behind the scenes. They analyzed a subset of the original 2008 survey data to see whether the experience of editing articles differs for women and men, and whether this influences how much they edit. They found clear differences. Women reported feeling less confident about their expertise, less comfortable with editing others’ work (a process which often involves conflict), and reacting more negatively to critical feedback than men. The results were published in the journal Sex Roles in January.
Bear and Collier’s sample spanned 1,589 occasional U.S. contributors (17.5% were female) who reported editing infrequently and not wanting to be more active. The original global survey from which this subset was drawn had a total of 176,192 respondents and was conducted by the Wikimedia Foundation and UNU-MERIT researchers. (It’s worth noting that while opt-in surveys have their limitations, such as a response bias, they’re arguably the best source of data on this problem.)
The researchers examined how much participants agreed with the following measures: “I don’t think I have enough knowledge or expertise to contribute,” “I don’t feel comfortable editing other people’s work,” “I am afraid for making a mistake and being criticized,” and “I don’t have time.” They also saw the number of articles respondents said they had edited. They controlled for age, years of education, whether people were in a relationship, and whether they had children.
A fair amount of research has already shown that men and women differ when it comes to confidence and comfort with negative feedback and conflict. For example, it’s well known that women report less confidence than men across a variety of tasks — even though they don’t actually score lower on ability and expertise. And while some studies show that women can be under-confident, others find that men are more likely to be overconfident.
Research also suggests that critical feedback can have a stronger effect on women’s self-esteem than men’s—for instance, women’s self-esteem tends to increase after positive feedback and decrease after negative feedback, whereas men’s doesn’t change much either way.
Then there are gender differences in conflict styles. Bear’s prior research has shown that in general, women are more likely than men to avoid conflict and negotiating. But, as Bear and Collier write in their paper, when women do get caught up in conflict, they tend to feel greater levels of emotional exhaustion, anxiety, cardiovascular reactivity, and negative immune response than men. Moreover, when women express anger, they tend to be penalized more than men would be; when they assert themselves, they face more backlash; and they tend to be judged more harshly for their mistakes"

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https://hbr.org/2016/06/why-do-so-fe...edit-wikipedia

Women are supposed to be forced into gender stereotypes, yet...:
https://www.bustle.com/articles/8986...erence-in-toys

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0715114739.htm

With fashion and nudity and stripping, supposed to objectify and devalue women, yet a lot of them argue it is empowering for women:
https://www.google.com/search?source...k1.QuQGuiGtHms

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Also, Women elected Donald Trump --over 50% voted for him --after the most anti-feminist campaign I've seen.

What is going on??!
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