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Old September 9th, 2017, 08:29 AM   #21

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So I am still confused..

We've been asked to believe that women are struggling in school and can't get a word in edgewise on boys, yet...:
https://www.google.com/search?source...k1.u_GCBAr1Lbs

We've been told that women make better managers, yet...:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ess-desirable/

We've been told that women are better multitaskers, better in business situations, managers etc. yet...:

"Why do so few women edit Wikipedia articles?
Two professors, Julia Bear of Stony Brook University’s College of Business and Benjamin Collier of Carnegie Mellon University in Qatar, decided to explore the issue from the perspective of women who had been behind the scenes. They analyzed a subset of the original 2008 survey data to see whether the experience of editing articles differs for women and men, and whether this influences how much they edit. They found clear differences. Women reported feeling less confident about their expertise, less comfortable with editing others’ work (a process which often involves conflict), and reacting more negatively to critical feedback than men. The results were published in the journal Sex Roles in January.
Bear and Collier’s sample spanned 1,589 occasional U.S. contributors (17.5% were female) who reported editing infrequently and not wanting to be more active. The original global survey from which this subset was drawn had a total of 176,192 respondents and was conducted by the Wikimedia Foundation and UNU-MERIT researchers. (It’s worth noting that while opt-in surveys have their limitations, such as a response bias, they’re arguably the best source of data on this problem.)
The researchers examined how much participants agreed with the following measures: “I don’t think I have enough knowledge or expertise to contribute,” “I don’t feel comfortable editing other people’s work,” “I am afraid for making a mistake and being criticized,” and “I don’t have time.” They also saw the number of articles respondents said they had edited. They controlled for age, years of education, whether people were in a relationship, and whether they had children.
A fair amount of research has already shown that men and women differ when it comes to confidence and comfort with negative feedback and conflict. For example, it’s well known that women report less confidence than men across a variety of tasks — even though they don’t actually score lower on ability and expertise. And while some studies show that women can be under-confident, others find that men are more likely to be overconfident.
Research also suggests that critical feedback can have a stronger effect on women’s self-esteem than men’s—for instance, women’s self-esteem tends to increase after positive feedback and decrease after negative feedback, whereas men’s doesn’t change much either way.
Then there are gender differences in conflict styles. Bear’s prior research has shown that in general, women are more likely than men to avoid conflict and negotiating. But, as Bear and Collier write in their paper, when women do get caught up in conflict, they tend to feel greater levels of emotional exhaustion, anxiety, cardiovascular reactivity, and negative immune response than men. Moreover, when women express anger, they tend to be penalized more than men would be; when they assert themselves, they face more backlash; and they tend to be judged more harshly for their mistakes"

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https://hbr.org/2016/06/why-do-so-fe...edit-wikipedia

Women are supposed to be forced into gender stereotypes, yet...:
https://www.bustle.com/articles/8986...erence-in-toys

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0715114739.htm

With fashion and nudity and stripping, supposed to objectify and devalue women, yet a lot of them argue it is empowering for women:
https://www.google.com/search?source...k1.QuQGuiGtHms

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Also, Women elected Donald Trump --over 50% voted for him --after the most anti-feminist campaign I've seen.

What is going on??!
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Old September 9th, 2017, 08:34 AM   #22

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The typical trappings of femininity; long hair, jewelry, dresses, high heels etc. ARE signs of privilege; if men were to enter the traditional work environment with those accessories, they would not be taken seriously by other men --not looking ready for hard work. Yet, now men and women are competing in the workplace and working with each other as never before. Are the trappings of femininity standing in the way for women? I just ask these questions, because after spending half my life working with women, I don't feel that I have had things get any clearer in my mind..
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There are also more women studying art, yet few have made it into the company of the "greats"... Are men stopping them?!?

It has been noticed and taken up on all sides!:
https://www.google.com/search?q=few+...k1.PwXd3ORuXyQ

https://www.google.com/search?source...k1.P9SPF3kc_ho

https://www.google.com/search?q=few+...k1.UCYb-s3ZwbA

Does it have to do with their brains?
Study finds some significant differences in brains of men and women | Science | AAAS

I'd like to see more women doing these things for guys:
https://www.bolde.com/if-your-boyfri...o-him-forever/

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