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Old August 11th, 2017, 12:12 AM   #1

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The Beauty Privilege


Seeing as you guys went too far with crude and obscene references to bratwurst in the last thread you'll have to be a little more genteel in this one.

The premise is the notion that beautiful people have a privilege over ugly ones - should this be something that society faces up to?

Historically there's the obvious example of Ancient Greece, which went as far as to suggest that a beautiful person also had a beautiful mind. Socratess famously twisted this idea on its head.

There's also the modern realisation with the political debate from the 1960s between Kennedy and Nixon. Nixon was predicted to win because his speech was better on the radio, but as soon as it got on TV Kennedy opted for the use of makeup to look good whilst Nixon declined it because it wasn't manly. The result was that Nixon started sweating under the harsh lights whilst Kennedy appeared handsome and calm. This led to Kennedy getting better results from the TV debate and people suddenly realised the power of perception. It seems the proletariat are more likely to vote for someone who looks good rather than for what they have to say.

Perhaps this may also be seen in recent politics? Wasn't there a Vietnam veteran who was wounded by a grenade? IMHO he didn't get as far simply because of the fact that he was terribly wounded. I also doubt Roosevelt would have become President had people seen him in his wheelchair, all official photos tend to show him standing under his own strenght.

What do you chaps/chapesses think?



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Old August 11th, 2017, 06:34 AM   #2

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I'd beware of baked goods that have thick layers of fluorescent frosting and flashy doodads; in my opinion the cake that supports that stuff usually ain't that great.
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Not a huge surprise:
https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...en%20beautiful
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Old August 13th, 2017, 07:05 AM   #4

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It was quite obvious that Beauty pays before the studies over the past decades confirmed so. I wonder, if someone didn't read Poe during teenage years .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rogers
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It was quite obvious that Beauty pays before the studies over the past decades confirmed so. I wonder, if someone didn't read Poe during teenage years .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rogers
Wow! Madness. Here she is:
Click the image to open in full size.

Also:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deat...onBenét_Ramsey


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_beauty_pageant
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Really, madness. It's interesting that first beauty pageant was banned in Lithuania in 1928 partially due to the opposition from Catholic Church because it was heathenism.
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There may be a reverse effect according to this. For one thing, the people rated the least attractive make more money. Possibly the "nerd" factor?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/opinio...ler/index.html

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It's the media in all it's forms that creates this false idea that if you conform to a particular type of beauty then you must also be good at everything you turn your hand to.

Many pre TV age outstanding individuals, whether you like them or not, would have had difficulty in gaining any position of power due to their looks. Cromwell and Lincoln come to mind.

France this year, a victory of style and looks over substance, irrespective of if you disagree with the substance or not.
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Looks will open doors for you, but good looks will not help you make good decisions, and good looks can make others resent you, especially if they don't have good looks and feel the doors should have been opened for them.
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Good looks are more than just physical attributes; a certain amount of "glamour" or illusion goes into it too. If one is confident and appears to be content and happy and desired, and BELIEVES it, it manifests in one's carriage and charismatic power. Probably also good to draw a distinction between "beauty" in the abstract sense, and attractiveness.
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