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Old August 12th, 2017, 09:54 AM   #1

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Anti-North Korea alliance


Should the USA, China, and NATO, plus Japan and SOuth Korea, all gang up to take out North Korea?

For me, they're like a boil that causes no overall harm, but for months is itchy, and you just want to get it removed. They're a lingering pest, and before they get nukes that can hit Beijing, Tokyo, LA, or even NYC or a big European city, they need to be dealt with.

China has gone from a strong friend in Mao's time to a nuisance, it I doubt it would aid Kim if the USA invaded.

I don't like Trump, mainly since his economics are BS and based on 1960s global realities (coal and manufacturing were fine then, but not now). But he's right to tackle NK head on, since it's something the global community needs to finish. Obama and Bush Jr. had bigger priorities (terrorism, healthcare, and the financial crash) but then Trump doesn't. If he wants to boost manufacturing, then it should be for arms for a sustained conflict and/or alliance to take down NK and Kim.
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Old August 12th, 2017, 10:24 AM   #2

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Wait, wait and again wait ... a minute.

It's not that simple. There are geopolitical considerations which will influence the behavior of the permanent members of the UN Security Council about North Korea.

If US claim the duty [on which base???] to avoid any external influence in the American continent, we cannot see why Russia and China shouldn't claim the same about Asia. And when US tried and act in Asia directly after WWII ... US had to order the withdrawal [Korea and Vietnam, you know].

So, the best attitude we can expect from Moscow and Beijing is indifference, not an active participation.
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What you are arguing is for the US to once again try to act as world police, which it first off isn't very good at, and most importantly a lot of its unpopularity in the world comes from this willingness to meddle in everybody's affair. Do you really think the US would garner any international support for another vietnam war? The justification for such a war might be good enough in the 19th century, but not in the 21st, and especially when millions could (or even certainly would) die from nuclear weapons and war. You can be certain that both Moscow and Beijing would be more than content if only the US stuck to their own continent. China especially made its position very clear; the US should stay off NK's back. They might not be entirely supportive of NK's radical policies, but they certainly don't want them removed, risking having their own cities nuked, and if not then at least a more powerful american ally right next to them.
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Old August 12th, 2017, 11:15 AM   #4

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No

North Korea is only a problem if you chose to be bothered
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Old August 12th, 2017, 01:34 PM   #5

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China and Russia won't be happy with US forces near their borders, so they probably wouldn't allow an American offensive against North Korea.

Besides that, why would China support Trump anyway, considering that he seeks to put an end to its rising influence?

But it would be much better for everyone if the North Korean regime was overthrown, especially the North Koreans. The government does not even give a **** about the population, they care only for the military.
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Old August 12th, 2017, 01:42 PM   #6

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China could shut down North Korea in a day if they wanted, all they would have to do is close the border, stop shipping food and fuel and the country would collapse overnight. They don't want to do this because North Korea makes them look good by comparison, provides a buffer with the west and also doing so would create a humanitarian disaster that would cause thousands of Koreans to flee north. China doesn't want to look bad by imprisoning refugees or starving civilians, so instead they support an erratic dictator.
Even if America attempted to overthrow the North Korean regime, China would not stand for a unified America-friendly Korea on their border. They would intervene in some way (depends on the situation).
As for those who say North Korea isn't a problem, do you trust their test missiles will hit their projected targets and not say the middle of Canada? Early Soviet missile designers did have that fear.
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And economical considerations


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China could shut down North Korea in a day if they wanted, all they would have to do is close the border, stop shipping food and fuel and the country would collapse overnight. They don't want to do this because North Korea makes them look good by comparison, provides a buffer with the west and also doing so would create a humanitarian disaster that would cause thousands of Koreans to flee north. China doesn't want to look bad by imprisoning refugees or starving civilians, so instead they support an erratic dictator.
Even if America attempted to overthrow the North Korean regime, China would not stand for a unified America-friendly Korea on their border. They would intervene in some way (depends on the situation).
As for those who say North Korea isn't a problem, do you trust their test missiles will hit their projected targets and not say the middle of Canada? Early Soviet missile designers did have that fear.
A unified Korea, with all that poor workers in the North would be also a competitor for Chinese industrial areas. And since today China is suffering a certain competition [India, Vietnam, Thailand ...], Beijing wouldn't be glad to see Korea gaining points in the international market as production region for the great American and European importers.
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Old August 12th, 2017, 02:23 PM   #8

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Should the USA, China, and NATO, plus Japan and SOuth Korea, all gang up to take out North Korea?
That depends - the biggest chip in the game is the South Korean capitol. 10 million people dead in the first hour, without a nuke being fired
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That depends - the biggest chip in the game is the South Korean capitol. 10 million people dead in the first hour, without a nuke being fired


What… what are you talking about? 10 million dead in an hour? Are you making up numbers?
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Old August 12th, 2017, 05:08 PM   #10

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What… what are you talking about? 10 million dead in an hour? Are you making up numbers?
North Korea has enough traditional artillery within range of Seoul to level the city in an hour. And it has a population of over 10 million. Seoul is like a hostage city that the north uses to deter invasions
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