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Old September 11th, 2017, 08:05 PM   #11

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For many skills and specialties, the system of disciples and masters work far better than the school system.
It is hard to find a good master; very few people are willing to be masters as well.
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For many skills and specialties, the system of disciples and masters work far better than the school system.
It is hard to find a good master; very few people are willing to be masters as well.
If you are talking about apprentice systems those already exist. They tend to be part of the vocational route requiring a certain amount of more academic work at the vocational school (often done by remote study these days) with the rest of the education to the occupation being learning by working alongside the master.
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For many skills and specialties, the system of disciples and masters work far better than the school system.
It is hard to find a good master; very few people are willing to be masters as well.
Those talents first have to be recognized, not an easy endeavor. Most primary school teachers aren't trained to do it and guidance counselors are stretched thin - at least in my school district. Then, the children have to express their aptitude, not always discernible at an early age , or even into adolescence.
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Those talents first have to be recognized, not an easy endeavor. Most primary school teachers aren't trained to do it and guidance counselors are stretched thin - at least in my school district. Then, the children have to express their aptitude, not always discernible at an early age , or even into adolescence.
My example: I did not "discover" my talent for classical Chinese a few years after leaving Hong Kong.
The irony is that almost no people in my immediate circle has better written Chinese proficiency than I do.
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If you are talking about apprentice systems those already exist. They tend to be part of the vocational route requiring a certain amount of more academic work at the vocational school (often done by remote study these days) with the rest of the education to the occupation being learning by working alongside the master.
On site learning and working are important here.
Do you think high school (or mid teen to late teen) is too early to separate the academic and vocational paths?
Ironically, I took the academic path at school but is currently working in trade or craft.
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Athena has raised the issue of citizenship vs technical education.
I should confess that most (if not all) of my technical education and academic knowledge during high school and university are gone.
Since this is about the building foundation of K-12 education, we stop at there.
What valuable legacies should we leave on students from K-12?
We enjoy having higher percentage of people with post-secondary education; what if these people remain functional illiterate, illogical, and ill-informed after graduation?
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