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Old August 28th, 2017, 09:18 AM   #1
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Dislike is not "phobia"


When is a "dislike" or even hate "phobic"and when understandable?
When is fear like paranoia when fully justified?
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Old August 28th, 2017, 09:20 AM   #2

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When is a "dislike" or even hate "phobic"and when understandable?
When is fear like paranoia when fully justified?
When it's relating to political reasons according to many.
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When is a "dislike" or even hate "phobic"and when understandable?
When is fear like paranoia when fully justified?
It's in the word, actually: phobia - persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.
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When is a "dislike" or even hate "phobic"and when understandable?
When is fear like paranoia when fully justified?
When a "dislike" goes beyond its proper field:

Letís make the hypothesis that I donít like blonde women. I will never fall in love with a blonde woman. Ok, thatís a dislike.

Letís imagine that, suddenly, I begin to discriminate blonde women because I donít like them Ö thatís no more a ďdislikeĒ and usually behind a similar behavior thereís a phobia [Iím terrorized by blonde women!].
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When is a "dislike" or even hate "phobic"and when understandable?
When is fear like paranoia when fully justified?
Like many other words you shouldn't confuse actual phobia with how the post modernistic crowd butcher it. If paranoia turns out to be justified it isn't paranoia, that's the point.
Xenophobe, Islamophobe, Transphobe etc are just terminology the totalitarian postmodern globalists use to combat dissent. It's not just that their political opponents are wrong, they diagnose them as mentally ill. Since obviously there is little use arguing with insane people dialogue and arguments become superfluous. All you can do is punch the nazis into submission.
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Like many other words you shouldn't confuse actual phobia with how the post modernistic crowd butcher it. If paranoia turns out to be justified it isn't paranoia, that's the point.
Xenophobe, Islamophobe, Transphobe etc are just terminology the totalitarian postmodern globalists use to combat dissent. It's not just that their political opponents are wrong, they diagnose them as mentally ill. Since obviously there is little use arguing with insane people dialogue and arguments become superfluous. All you can do is punch the nazis into submission.
Absolutely agree with that.

I'll add this. Words, ideas, such traditional and normal are turned on their heads and twisted so that if anybody has those views, then they are presented by the neo totalitarians as not being a positive view that person has, but in fact a phobia, and of course these phobias are presented as hatred, not fear, of anything seen as non traditional and abnormal. So if you have a traditional view of marriage, the neo totalitarians will slur you by saying you are homophobic, or any other phobia they have concocted in the last five minutes.

And on "mental illness". In the Soviet Union people who had "incorrect" views, could, if they were unlucky, be diagnosed with the condition of "slow progressive schizophrenia". Some of the symptoms being irregularity in the scope of thinking, ie, you are not thinking what the state wants you to think, and stubbornness in your thinking, ie, as well as not thinking what the state wants you to think, you are stubbornly clinging to your "incorrect" thoughts. Psychotropic drugs were used on these people. I wait to see if soon people with certain types of "phobia" are deemed by law to have a mental illness.

Personally I think I may be developing dumasaphobia.

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Tangentially related. Rosenhan Experiment and others:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

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Old August 29th, 2017, 04:32 AM   #8

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The difference between phobia and hate.

I have mild arachnophobia, something quite common. I don't mind small spiders, even if one crawled over my arm, it's not a problem. But I do not like the big house spiders. But I used the phrase "do not like", and I used it because that is the normal manner of speech. But do I actually dislike them, hate them? Well, actually no. I am very aware that without spiders we would be overrun by insects, so spiders are our friends and I do not hate them in the normal use of the word, I simply have an irrational fear of what the big ones look like when they are staring you in the face.

I wonder, at what point was the meaning of the word phobia changed from fear to hatred when applied to human beings, and the now potential legal ramifications with the onset of "hate crimes". It's a very serious issue.
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The difference between phobia and hate.

I have mild arachnophobia, something quite common. I don't mind small spiders, even if one crawled over my arm, it's not a problem. But I do not like the big house spiders. But I used the phrase "do not like", and I used it because that is the normal manner of speech. But do I actually dislike them, hate them? Well, actually no. I am very aware that without spiders we would be overrun by insects, so spiders are our friends and I do not hate them in the normal use of the word, I simply have an irrational fear of what the big ones look like when they are staring you in the face.

I wonder, at what point was the meaning of the word phobia changed from fear to hatred when applied to human beings, and the now potential legal ramifications with the onset of "hate crimes". It's a very serious issue.
I am with you on the spiders; I try to capture and release, but stubborn ones in the house go to Valhalla.
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Old August 29th, 2017, 04:41 AM   #10

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And September is almost upon us, the "time of the spider", particularly the big ones......

On another note, I would like to point out that in my post #6, I used marriage as a useful and obvious example that would be recognizable by all, personally I don't give a damn, only about this enforcement of views and screams of rage against anybody not kowtowing to the new "reality".
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