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tomar September 22nd, 2017 10:54 AM

Advantages of being a country ?
 
As opposed to being a "region" or a "state" within a more powerful country.

Who wins ? who loses ? Why are regions (scots, catalans, corsicans to name just a few in Europe - but there are dozens such around the world) considering independence ?

Note: the question assumes that the citizens of the region have the same rights as everyone else in their current country... if they are a minority that is being discriminated then the case for a country becomes obviously stronger....

Shtajerc September 22nd, 2017 11:37 AM

They are probably sick of getting screwed over by the central government and think their own government will screw them less. Also, that way they aren't a periphery anymore (Catalonia really isn't, but ...).

deaf tuner September 22nd, 2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tomar (Post 2827822)
[ Advantages of being a country ]
As opposed to being a "region" or a "state" within a more powerful country.

There's no real advantage or disadvange "per se". It really depends on how the country is organised and run.

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Originally Posted by tomar (Post 2827822)

Why are regions (scots, catalans, corsicans to name just a few in Europe - but there are dozens such around the world) considering independence ?

IDK if we can find too many points in common on all those regions (I'm referring only to Europe, as I know a bit more than the nothing I know elsewhere).

The common denominator of all those tendencies (in Europe) would be the long period of peace behind, a certain well-being, together with an increased degree of rights and liberties.

It created a sort of sentiment of "it's possible".

What I personally dislike in some cases (because we can't generalise) is the "rich man's nationalism/independentism".

Tulius September 22nd, 2017 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by deaf tuner (Post 2827858)
What I personally dislike in some cases (because we can't generalise) is the "rich man's nationalism/independentism".

Same here.

LatinoEuropa September 22nd, 2017 11:59 AM

one of the causes is the mother tongue that has to do with nationalism, the other may be the religion.
catalonia has its own language,and feel threatened by the Castilian language, can one of the causes for the people want to make the referendum, in a democracy must respect the decisions of a people.
some countries claim to be democratic, and they do not accept it because they have communist and facist ideologies and they claim to be democratic countries but only on paper.

Tulun September 22nd, 2017 12:01 PM

money too can be a factor, Catalonia is richer than the rest of Spain i think (i believe it is also a motivation among the Flemish separatists in Belgium, they being the richer part?).

deaf tuner September 22nd, 2017 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinoEuropa (Post 2827866)
one of the causes is the mother tongue that has to do with nationalism, the other may be the religion.
catalonia has its own language,and feel threatened by the Castilian language, can one of the causes for the people want to make the referendum, in a democracy must respect the decisions of a people.
some countries claim to be democratic, and they do not accept it because they have communist and facist ideologies and they claim to be democratic countries but only on paper.

Sometimes it is true, sometimes it is not.

Germans are Catholic and Protestant, and they don't have an issue on that.
Swiss are four languages, and they don't have an issue on that.

It's different from region to region, from people to people.

Highlander September 22nd, 2017 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinoEuropa (Post 2827866)
one of the causes is the mother tongue that has to do with nationalism, the other may be the religion.
catalonia has its own language,and feel threatened by the Castilian language

Catalonian language survived to this day and age, why wouldn't it in the future?

deaf tuner September 22nd, 2017 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tulun (Post 2827869)
money too can be a factor, Catalonia is richer than the rest of Spain i think (i believe it is also a motivation among the Flemish separatists in Belgium, they being the richer part?).

Yap, it's the case. Flemish independentists are saying it loud: they don't see why they should pay for the lazy Walloon unemployed.

Not that it can't be a reasonable reason to ask independence. But I have difficulties to see where's the real nationalism with that kind of arguments. Szekelyek, at least, are living a poorer region of Romania, and still want their autonomy I believe more in their nationalism than in the Flemish one :)

LatinoEuropa September 22nd, 2017 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by deaf tuner (Post 2827875)
Sometimes it is true, sometimes it is not.

Germans are Catholic and Protestant, and they don't have an issue on that.
Swiss are four languages, and they don't have an issue on that.

It's different from region to region, from people to people.

...................
depends on the mentality of each people

For example, you're in favor of divorce, I'm already against it.

For example, you're in favor of gay marriages. I'm against.etc.etc..

how to resolve the against and the favor with peace, respect each other


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