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Old October 31st, 2017, 05:22 PM   #31
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Quite a few years ago, I knew a designer who was gay. He was very successful and influential in the Austin Texas area and threw great parties.

While there were some 'straight' men at these parties they were heavily slanted towards gay men as these were the type of men that he liked being around.

Even though I was completely hetrosexual and had no interest in men, I went to every one of these parties that I could.

For one: they were great parties. Second: they were full of women who weren't being adequately paid attention to.

Muhahahahahaaaa....

Sure, I got quite a bit of attention from gay men at these parties and the occasional pat on the but from some guy, but that was fine, the 'smorgasbord' of hot, fine, ladies more than made up for it.

Viva la gay men!
That's the spirit, when i was younger i used to go to a sort of beach fishing village (my mothers birthplace) with my friends to get drunk, go to the beach, and party with local girs or with some girls from our universities that we invited. (so typical student life).

In one of those trips the guy that owned the house invited two younger cousins, and quickly proceded to tell the youngest boy that i was gay, the kid spent the week terrified of me, even when i told him he was just kiding. Since my friend found so funny he started to present me to his girl friends as "hi this is my gay friend", i started to play along as i noticed that the girls actually found that interesting and felt more curious and at ease with me, so i actually used that to my advantage to get some girls favourable attention when i revealed that it was actually a joke.
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Old October 31st, 2017, 11:08 PM   #32

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I suggest that an any hominems here are from you. You are being rude and are ranting, and you are clearly obsessed with this topic in a way that I am most certainly not. Take a chill pill or something....
No, I am doing history with sources. There is no "ranting," I am using sources to discuss history. That is how history is supposed to be done. You are doing ad hominem:

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Oh I'm sorry, could you speak up as I don't think you shouted loudly enough, from behind your mental brick wall....
Again, an extreme irony when you are the one saying things that are manifestly and demonstrably not true, such as Trajan and Hadrian did not suffer rebuke for their homosexuality, when I posted evidence that they did.

I have posted now Dio, The Augustine Scribe, Suetonius, Tacitus, Cicero, Plutarch, Ammianus, Plato, Xenophon, Polybius, Livy, Apeuleius...do you have anything at all to say that is not a personal attack?

Do you at least understand that you were wrong?

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You're a ranting obsessive and your replies are very immature. What size font will you make your reply in? and in red maybe? and the level of hysteria?.....

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Is there a Greco-Roman term for heterosexual pederasty/catamitism? (Catamitus/Ganymedes was taken by a god, Adonis was taken by two goddesses - a much more riveting scenario, evolutionarily and erotically)
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You're a ranting obsessive and your replies are very immature. What size font will you make your reply in? and in red maybe? and the level of hysteria?.....
No, no, no. You are the one engaging in ad hominem.

I have already disproven you on two points. On what point are you disputing anything that I have said?

As it is, everything that I have said on this thread stands uncontested.
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Is there a Greco-Roman term for heterosexual pederasty/catamitism? (Catamitus/Ganymedes was taken by a god, Adonis was taken by two goddesses - a much more riveting scenario, evolutionarily and erotically)
Kinaidos was one derogatory term.
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I have heard people trying to push the myth that homophobia is the result of Christianity or Judaism, and they should be blamed for it. But yes, our contemporary and historical sources don't show that at all. Homosexual people have been largely unfairly treated through most of history by most cultural groups. A lot of it breaks down to it not seeming to serve any kind of functional or cultural benefit according to the order of the universe. There's been a lot of fear of hedonistic practices that don't seem to jive with the perceived natural order of the universe.

The problem has largely been resolved as science has demystified sexuality. Most people, without a prior-programmed bias, can these days be convinced that homosexuality is not the result of unnatural hedonism. We're seeing mass disappearance of homophobia throughout the world, because we know better. There are still a lot of homophobes, but that's just people who are holding onto outdated cultural bias; the unenlightened, in other words.

This "enlightenment" doesn't mean that straight people necessarily have to find, or even tolerate watching two gay people engaging in sex, not any more than two other people they find unattractive people doing it. But it means that they won't have this illogical objection to the existence of homosexuality.
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Adonis was taken by two goddesses - a much more riveting scenario, evolutionarily and erotically)
Taken by couple of gorgeous goddesses. I wud happily volunteer for that kind of severe punishment.
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The OP assumes most heterosexual males wants conversion therapy for gay men. I don't believe this. The OP mentions that perhaps this is the reason for the emergence of the gay lobby. If the first point is flawed, then it follows so is the second. I have know a few gay men who wish to flex their muscles (so to speak) because they are angry at the heterosexual community. They make remarks such as "you can kiss your mate in public and I can't." Should I assume - based upon the comments of a few gay men - that the real intention of the gay lobby is to bring down heterosexual relationships, or would that be a simply silly assumption?
Thatís probably a silly assumption.
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I don’t know what ancient texts have to say about homosexuality. I realize that this is of interest to some and a touchstone for debating the issue from an historical point of view. I think the OP asks the question of why heterosexual males want gay men to undergo conversion therapy. Really?

I could care less. In my experience, gay men are born that way and conversion therapy is unlikely in the extreme to work. If anything, conversion therapy simply goes against the natural order of things. A percentage of all men and women are homosexuals. They don’t choose to be this way; they are born this way for reasons known only to God; they just are homosexuals and we would do well to simply leave them alone to live their lives as they see fit. It is their normal and we should simply accept it.

Some might point out that since homosexual couples cannot reproduce, it goes against nature. Well, honestly, there are a lot of heterosexual couples who might be a lot better off if they weren’t allowed to reproduce either. So no advantage there.

Being a heterosexual male I don’t see the attraction but then I’m not supposed to either see or understand it. What I do know is that many gay men are in committed relationships that last a lifetime, just like heterosexuals. More power to them. I am curious to know whether or not the divorce rate (relationship failure rate) among gay people is as great as the divorce rate among heterosexuals which is rather high. I don’t see the advantage to society to force gay men to convert to heterosexuality when it doesn’t work anyway and simply results in a great deal of misery. Same for lesbian women.

I despise homophobia in all its forms. It’s a form of hatred and very unbecoming for those practicing it. Keep your nose out of their business and everyone will be a lot happier.
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