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View Poll Results: How strong is your will to live?
My will to live is the highest it can be. 3 33.33%
I have a high will to live. 1 11.11%
My will to live is fair. 0 0%
My will to live is low. 1 11.11%
I don't want to die, but if it happens I'm okay with that. 2 22.22%
I have lost a little of my will to live. 1 11.11%
I have lost some will to live. 0 0%
I don't want to live any more. 1 11.11%
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Old December 29th, 2017, 10:35 AM   #11

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My experience is that at our essence, our deepest, fundamental core, we cannot die. Only this body which I'm wearing at the moment will die, and whether it happens now or in 60 years is not of great importance to me.

I see this existence as a play, a dance, a movie - a series of experiences which the Universe is having through my body and mind, and all of it is completely impermanent. This allows my outlook on things to remain lighthearted and easy going. Nothing is of supreme importance, except that which cannot be damaged, and thus there is never anything to worry about.
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Old December 29th, 2017, 10:39 AM   #12

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If depression was a cause of suicide there will be an enormous number of cases of suicide.

Suicide is similar to an impulse, an immediate need for action.
Not depression but desperation may be cause of suicide. Also specialists tend to complicate all things. For example, some actress commited suicide at relatively young age because her beauty slowly began to vanish but she cannot accept that. Of course, her suicide note didn't indicate that because she feared of being judged by others as vain person ( many people care about their postmortem reputation ). I'm not sure if Suicidology operates such terms as 'vanity'.
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Not depression but desperation may be cause of suicide. Also specialists tend to complicate all things. For example, some actress commited suicide at relatively young age because her beauty slowly began to vanish but she cannot accept that. Of course, her suicide note didn't indicate that because she feared of being judged by others as vain person ( many people care about their postmortem reputation ). I'm not sure if Suicidology operates such terms as 'vanity'.
If this was a rule Charlize Theron will commit suicide in the next decade and Sharon Stone will precede her ... [not to talk about Angelina Jolie ...].

Suicide is a personal temporary matter.

I have personally had a couple of experiences.

1. An owner of a shop of fantasy items. On Sunday night, at a party, a friend of mine asked him if he was in the shop the following afternoon [Monday afternoon]. He answered that no, he won't be there since the following morning he was going to kill himself. All thought to a joke ... he committed suicide the following morning.

2. A guy co-owner of a firm which works for the corporation where I work was talking at the phone with a coworker of mine. A couple of hours later we knew he had committed suicide [I cannot imagine what my co-worker told him!].

Jokes a part [keep in mind that Italians joke a lot about death; it's not lack of respect], were they desperate? No they weren't. They perceived to be desperate and in a no way out situation.
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Old December 29th, 2017, 01:34 PM   #14

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If you are lost in the woods without food, suffer an accident while hiking or are attacked by a bear --or as happened, have your arm crushed and pinned by a falling stone, you will go into automatic survival mode; you will mechanically try to save yourself even if it means pain and suffering --I think this is hard-wired.

If you are very upset or depressed (and I think these days a little depression is natural!), you may work yourself into a state where you attempt to end your own life --if successful, it is done, no chance for survival mode to kick in, unless you survive.
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I'm convinced that a lot of it is due to mental problems or financial instability.

A physically and mentally healthy person who is financially secure should theoretically not want to end their life in almost all cases. But mental health issues can literally convince a person that their life is hopeless, even if it's not.

Financial stuff is serious, too, but I think it's usually exacerbated in people who are easily stressed. Those who are resilient don't tend to be as phased by lack of funds.

Me? My will to live is pretty strong right now because I'm both very physically healthy and financially secure, but those things were not always the case.
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I'm convinced that a lot of it is due to mental problems or financial instability.

A physically and mentally healthy person who is financially secure should theoretically not want to end their life in almost all cases. But mental health issues can literally convince a person that their life is hopeless, even if it's not.

Financial stuff is serious, too, but I think it's usually exacerbated in people who are easily stressed. Those who are resilient don't tend to be as phased by lack of funds.

Me? My will to live is pretty strong right now because I'm both very physically healthy and financially secure, but those things were not always the case.
We also have to consider the concept that Valens talked about. Success is motivational, and repeated failure can demotivate people to the point of not wanting to go on. This is one possible explanation that I came up with when looking at a case of a young person who was well off but had a low will to live. She had failed over and over again and had lost faith in herself.
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We also have to consider the concept that Valens talked about. Success is motivational, and repeated failure can demotivate people to the point of not wanting to go on. This is one possible explanation that I came up with when looking at a case of a young person who was well off but had a low will to live. She had failed over and over again and had lost faith in herself.
There is the additional factor that human psychology considers success relative to those around him.

For example, someone in a wealthy town or neighborhood in the West may consider themselves a failure for driving a Toyota Camry rather than a BMW, and living in an apartment instead of a nice house, etc.

In an absolute sense this person is a great success (standard of living superior to probably 75% of the human population, or more), but in the context of his/her neighborhood, (s)he is a failure and feels like it.
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There is the additional factor that human psychology considers success relative to those around him.

For example, someone in a wealthy town or neighborhood in the West may consider themselves a failure for driving a Toyota Camry rather than a BMW, and living in an apartment instead of a nice house, etc.

In an absolute sense this person is a great success (standard of living superior to probably 75% of the human population, or more), but in the context of his/her neighborhood, (s)he is a failure and feels like it.
True, although the particular case I looked at dealt more with social failure, which I guess applies to all of us. We want the people we like to care about us, and if they do we feel good about ourselves, but if they don't we tend to look to others. If, however, we fail to gain appreciation in several social circles, it can result in feelings of low self worth.
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Strong enough that I'm not dead yet.
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Old December 29th, 2017, 02:45 PM   #20

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We also have to consider the concept that Valens talked about. Success is motivational, and repeated failure can demotivate people to the point of not wanting to go on. This is one possible explanation that I came up with when looking at a case of a young person who was well off but had a low will to live. She had failed over and over again and had lost faith in herself.
In a way I think you can tie this into financial security. Someone who has failed repeatedly in their career or in their personal life becomes more and more materially insecure whether it's in terms of cash or human capital.

Life can be tough for some people. I've known many who are just plainly incompetent in most aspects of their lives, and who end up in debt and with little friends, and no idea how they got there, and how to get out.

It's really easy for me to say hang in there and see the bright side buddy but the reality is not so simple. Unfortunately, people and society have a way of punishing those who are maladapted, and often there is no easy way out.

Many turn to God, some end their lives, others.. ?
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