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Old April 6th, 2018, 11:44 PM   #1

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What do non-Westerners mean when they call the West 'decadent'?


What do (you think) non-Western intellectuals and demagogues mean when they call the West 'decadent'?

Thinking about it, the first thing that comes to mind as fairly unique among the major civilizations is the gay rights issue. Makes us look decadent.

Another seemingly feasible answer might be our consumerism, but I don't see that as unique in contrast to other cultures, since I live over here in Bangkok and can honestly say that Thais are furiously consumerist.

You might come back and say 'yeah well, Thais are about the gayest society in the world, so the West isn't all that unique either. Look at all those ladyboys, and how the Thai gender-reassignment surgeons are at the top of the world.'

..to which I'd say 'yep, masses of gays here in Bangkok, more ladyboys than I've ever seen, but in actuality the society sees them as cartoonish, and the activist support for gay and transgender rights in Thai society is almost nil.'

What say you about Western decadence?
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Irresponsible consumerism

But this is true with everyone

So the West isn't really uniquely decadent
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Irresponsible consumerism

But this is true with everyone

So the West isn't really uniquely decadent
I am an Indian, and I am fairly sympathetic to western world, having really been engrossed from my teens in reading the very best of English literature from U.K., and USA as well as translations from Russian etc. I am quiet familiar with western history and admire the western society to a great extent.
Yet I see that the social fabric is being weakened in customs as well as in values.
I ) The family system is in shambles all across the western world with people not marrying each other to formalise this important bond, but practicing ' live-in ' ( meaning that there is nothing more important to these except sexual pleasures.) . At the same time there is this current craze of ' same sex marriage ' whatever it means, along with the horrifying demand of these ' couples ' to allow them to raise kids !
II ) There is increasing dependence on hallucinatory substances, ruining the lives of the persons who are affected by this habit of ' drug ' taking. What an abuse of the word ' drug ' !
III ) There is no interest in work as such but more and more people prefer laziness.
What more do you want as signs of rapidly decaying societies ?

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I am an Indian, and I am fairly sympathetic to western world, having really been engrossed from my teens in reading the very best of English literature from U.K., and USA as well as translations from Russian etc. I am quiet familiar with western history and admire the western society to a great extent.
Yet I see that the social fabric is being weakened in customs as well as in values.
I ) The family system is in shambles all across the western world with people not marrying each other to formalise this important bond, but practicing ' live-in ' ( meaning that there is nothing more important to these except sexual pleasures.) . At the same time there is this current craze of ' same sex marriage ' whatever it means, along with the horrifying demand of these ' couples ' to allow them to raise kids !
II ) There is increasing dependence on hallucinatory substances, ruining the lives of the persons who are affected by this habit of ' drug ' taking. What an abuse of the word ' drug ' !
III ) There is no interest in work as such but more and more people prefer laziness.
What more do you want as signs of rapidly decaying societies ?
Excellent observations! What do you think is the root cause of all these evils?
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I am an Indian, and I am fairly sympathetic to western world, having really been engrossed from my teens in reading the very best of English literature from U.K., and USA as well as translations from Russian etc. I am quiet familiar with western history and admire the western society to a great extent.
Yet I see that the social fabric is being weakened in customs as well as in values.
I ) The family system is in shambles all across the western world with people not marrying each other to formalise this important bond, but practicing ' live-in ' ( meaning that there is nothing more important to these except sexual pleasures.) . At the same time there is this current craze of ' same sex marriage ' whatever it means, along with the horrifying demand of these ' couples ' to allow them to raise kids !
II ) There is increasing dependence on hallucinatory substances, ruining the lives of the persons who are affected by this habit of ' drug ' taking. What an abuse of the word ' drug ' !
III ) There is no interest in work as such but more and more people prefer laziness.
What more do you want as signs of rapidly decaying societies ?
Thanks for the input! If I may try to summarize by anthropomorphizing the bundle of problems, you believe the West contains too many drug-addled permanent bachelors who lack the Protestant work ethic!
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Excellent observations! What do you think is the root cause of all these evils?
There are no material wants left to be satisfied and at the same time there is not enough of a supporting system of a Religion which will enable people to start rebelieving in a system of values. Christian systems are lacking in persuasive powers.
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Thanks for the input! If I may try to summarize by anthropomorphizing the bundle of problems, you believe the West contains too many drug-addled permanent bachelors who lack the Protestant work ethic!
You left out the increasing tendency towards homosexuality and / or lesbianism.
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There are no material wants left to be satisfied and at the same time there is not enough of a supporting system of a Religion which will enable people to start rebelieving in a system of values. Christian systems are lacking in persuasive powers.
I agree with you, except your claim that "Christian systems are lacking in persuasive powers". Christianity has had strong persuasive powers, the problem is that a lot of people know nowadays about Christianity not much more than what the enemies of Christ make them known. It's enough to read a board like this in order to see such a thing it its full "splendour".

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At the same time there is this current craze of ' same sex marriage ' whatever it means, along with the horrifying demand of these ' couples ' to allow them to raise kids !
Here is the truth about gay adoption(mild version of the truth actually)
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...y-be-depressed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlSzl_6wOUs

But don't think that the above facts are going to change opinion of anyone who is a promoter of the gay agenda.
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You left out the increasing tendency towards homosexuality and / or lesbianism.
St. Paul wonderfully wrote in his Epistle to the Romans, 1:
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21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
God leaves people to such "shameful lusts" because they have exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worship and serve created things rather than the Creator, the Almighty God.

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