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Old November 10th, 2012, 10:55 AM   #101

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Do you believe it is so hard to obtain now that when you legalize it more people will use it more often?

What are the long term effects of drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes or eating junk food?

We are human and imperfect and we eayt drink and inhale things that are bad for us, is that a reason to leagalise more things that are bad for us.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 11:05 AM   #102

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Absolutely, it should be as legal as alcohol (i.e., for adult use only). In my opinion - through sad personal observation of family and friends - alcohol is far more addictive and destructive. For one to be legal while the other is considered in the same class as heroin is absurd.
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Money can't be a reason to change your morals, if weed would be legalized it should be done because people realize just how harmless it is.
Ingesting marijuana is not a "moral" issue. Anymore, than taking coffee, alcohol, aspirin, sleeping pills or smoking tobacco. It is a social issue. There are many people who have "moral" restrictions against many things. And there are thousands of these "moral" variances.
Pork is forbidden by several major religions in the world. And is also ingested by millions of people, ones who do not consider the eating of pork to be immoral. What you consider a "moral" issue is obviously not shared by millions of others. Especially, by people who want a way to relax and remove the stress of everyday life. Instead of alcohol, they choose "grass." If you ask me the moral issue is who has the "moral" foundation to deprive anyone of this method of escapism. Especially, in light of the legal use of alcohol or tobacco. Moreover, I do not believe that any Deity in human history has ever forbidden the use of marijuana.
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I am really quite ambivalent when it comes to this topic and I am not sure what to think of the recent votes in the United States.

I am very pleased for everybody who got behind the cause, voted, and have been successful in changing laws in their states. There are magnificent medicinal uses of cannabis and all of this is a great start for simply bringing this into the cultural dialogue again. It has become a stigmatised topic of discussion because people assume that anyone who supports legalisation/decriminalisation must just want to get high but that is only part of the issue and that attitude totally undermines the entire cause.

Would I want in legalised here in the UK? I am not sure.

I don't think people can handle it if I am totally honest. I wouldn't want it to become another 'recreational drug' and be handled the same way alcohol is today for the simple fact that cannabis is not alcohol and does not work the same way.

Alcohol will give a person a small boost in self-esteem and sense of grandeur but cannabis will often make a person retreat back into themselves. The thoughts that are pushed to the back of the mind or otherwise denied come back to the forefront with an intensity that can be unsettling for people who habitually do not deal with unpleasant thoughts and ideas. Resistance is futile once the ride has begun and attempting to resist if one realises they are in a bad head space will often result in an unpleasant experience. People blame this on the plant but if your psyche is in some kind of order then this won't happen or you won't feel bad and out of control if it does. It can have effects on a person's emotional stability and it is very difficult to read people who are high to know if they're okay because they will act 'stoned' i.e. slow, passive, zoned-out etc. but they could be whirring away inside their heads and you cannot tell if they're handling it okay all of the time.

This could be bad if people are allowed to do this in public. It's a different beast to alcohol entirely. Of course, the very nature of it being legal would lessen the stressful effects but we cannot assume that just because something is legal that the stigma attached to it has been eliminated. In all likelihood it won't be. There will be moral panics attached to the legalisation and the continued availability is likely to always be precarious. Our society does not allow a person to have enough time to themselves guilt-free to be able to really benefit from legalisation.

Until all this is worked out I think it would be best to just stop arresting people for small amounts. Stop confiscating tiny amounts of only a few grams from people who had no intention of selling it. Allow for the cultivation of a few plants in a private residence but do not allow for the sale of those plants.

Just do enough to protect the person at the bottom of the chain, who just wants cannabis for the plant itself, from criminalisation and incarceration. Maybe further decriminalisation and regulation later but it should be done slowly so that only those who are suffering under the current system appreciate the changes at first and the idea is slowly brought to the attention of people who have no stake in it at the moment. It shouldn't be available to buy openly straight away but relax laws that threaten people dedicated to the positive aspects of the plant so that their positive and constructive attitudes towards the issue can be allowed to build a subculture from scratch. Just letting loose the reigns and setting up New (New) Amsterdam overnight could be terrible for the cannabis awareness movement and the societies affected.

There's much more to say about the plant itself but for now I'm just thinking about social/cultural implications.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 11:15 AM   #105

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We are human and imperfect and we eayt drink and inhale things that are bad for us, is that a reason to leagalise more things that are bad for us.
What is the point in keeping something illegal when everyone has access to it already?
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Old November 10th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #106

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What is the point in keeping something illegal when everyone has access to it already?
Cocaine and Heroin are not exactly impossible to get, you want to legalise those too. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
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Money can't be a reason to change your morals, if weed would be legalized it should be done because people realize just how harmless it is.
Money shouldn't be a reason for changing one's morals, but most often is. And money is the single causality of all moral decay. However, States cannot operate properly without sufficient revenues and it is a tragic waste to see any potential source of revenue go into the hands of individuals without any social responsibility. Especially if the demand for any commodity is ever increasing. Every argument made against alcohol is now being made against marijuana. And such arguments will end up in the same trash can as did Prohibition. The trend of history is backward...to the time in which relaxation and pleasure were only available to the very rich or well-off. When only cheap alcohol based products were available to the poor. Marijuana was readily available as well. Smoking "Hemp" was quite common until the 20th Century. And as long as people desire something, some greedy entrepeneur will provide it. And at a far higher price if it is made illegal.
The stresses of modern civilization demand that some form of chemical product be offered to those who do not know how to release this energy any other way. The ultimate solution is that a chemical based product be created able to give people the same relaxation level as marijuana, alcohol or tobacco. One that does not have any of the negatives. Good Luck on that one.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #108

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Cocaine and Heroin are not exactly impossible to get, you want to legalise those too. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
The only thing that makes me doubtful about legalizing them too is, how much of a danger for others someone drugged with heroine/cocaine is.

If it's legal to ruin yourself with gambling, why shouldn't it be allowed with drugs?
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What is the point in keeping something illegal when everyone has access to it already?
Excellent point. However, you can get far more money for something illegal. And since this usage is already greatly desired and in place why not improve the product or eliminate its' negatives, study its' social causalities and understand the real reasons why this usage is occurring?
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Alcohol will give a person a small boost in self-esteem and sense of grandeur but cannabis will often make a person retreat back into themselves. The thoughts that are pushed to the back of the mind or otherwise denied come back to the forefront with an intensity that can be unsettling for people who habitually do not deal with unpleasant thoughts and ideas. Resistance is futile once the ride has begun and attempting to resist if one realises they are in a bad head space will often result in an unpleasant experience.
With all due respect, this is a pretty sweeping generalization of these drugs' effects and can be easily flipped, depending on the person. Plenty of people who drink alcohol get moody and quiet and ruminate morosely on their problems, while plenty of people who get high get giddy and talkative and see their problems as not so bad as they'd thought. Each drug affects everybody differently - and some people prefer one to another for precisely that reason.
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