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Old November 10th, 2012, 01:20 PM   #131

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The war on drugs is a complete and utter travesty. Its cost on our finances and society has been and continues to be nothing short of an epic disaster. It's an attack on our personal liberty. It's predicated on false information. It makes us a nation of hypocrites because the vast majority of adults use drugs and alcohol. Polls indicate anywhere from 55-60 percent of Americans favor legalizing marijuana. Oh, it's a "gateway drug?" Put a warning label on it. It's time to stop dwelling on this issue and just do it. People are having their lives ruined over this every day.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #132
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The question is do the dangers of marijuana justify the expense of criminalizing it. Legalizing marijuana would cause problems similar to alcohol. This is less then the problems caused by criminalizing all the pot users.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 03:15 PM   #133

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The War on Drugs has been a total failure. Our current drug laws are racist and backwards. If you really want to combat drugs there should be a certain amount to pay for treatment. Treatment is far more effective, and cheaper, than jails.

Those who think marijuana is an evil on society have probably not actually used the drug and have little knowledge of it's actual effects. I would venture to guess that your knowledge on the drug is actually fear. Our Government and authority figures have been pumping out misinformation and fear, especially about marijuana. I highly suggest looking into the history of the laws and where they come from.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 04:33 PM   #134

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In every known culture alcohol usage has greatly impact society yet this drug is legal. Further it is hardly viewed as a drug even though moderate amount is highly addictive. I don’t endorse drug use however the reality is this people are using marijuana the majority of these people use it in moderation and do not suffer ill effects. If marijuana is illegal then alcohol should be illegal as well. While we contemplate those two consider the stimulant caffeine.
It is conflicting for me….
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Old November 10th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #135

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[QUOTE=Robespierre;1253526]The War on Drugs has been a total failure. Our current drug laws are racist and backwards. If you really want to combat drugs there should be a certain amount to pay for treatment. Treatment is far more effective, and cheaper, than jails.


I agree with this I too believe treatment is better than jail it is less costly.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 04:48 PM   #136

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I've no doubt that it can. I take exception to the characterization that "using marijuana causes mental illness" because that's a broad generalization that is simply not true for most users. Practically everyone I know has smoked pot at one time or another, if not regularly, and not one of them has become mentally ill as a result, even the ones who started using as young teenagers.

Alcohol, however, has rotted the brain, liver, and pancreas of several friends and family members, including my favorite brother who died of his alcoholism last year. You'll never convince me that weed is more dangerous than alcohol. I've simply seen too much evidence to the contrary.

It is a hallucinogen drug however I don't think it is more dangerous than alcohol. Marijuana is the popular drug in the Caribbean I have never heard of any death from marijuana poisoning. In contrast I have heard of person’s demise due to alcohol poisoning.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 04:52 PM   #137

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Old November 10th, 2012, 06:09 PM   #138

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It just became legal in WA. I do not foresee more people smoking it because our state has already been "saturated" with this substance. As a doctor, I know it is not harmless, moreover, there are withdrawals from it (irritability, mostly). I even saw cases of psychosis. But destroying the black market always helps. Decriminalization and harm reduction are much better than punishment. Also, rather than paying money to keep people selling it in jail, I'd rather see them paying fiines for illegal sales. Another thing is that part of the money raised in taxes should be sent to drug research (NIDA, for example), and another part spent on anti-MJ campaigns (like anti-tobacco campaigns).
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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:07 PM   #139

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not only marijuana should be legal but all kinds of drugs should be legal, too. if i wanna get high, it's my problem. the state can go suck it and has no right to intervene whatsoever. if i am harming myself it is 100% my personal choice. moreover, people like to get high. this has been going on more than just the 20 and 21th centuries. it is not stoppable. making drugs illegal didn't stop people from using it.

make it legal, so drug related crime goes down and people don't kill each other for it. also people would get purer drugs, standard quality and the state will gain extra funding from the sales. but they will not ever do it. then who is gonna buy guns? which officials will skim the drug profits?
I agree. I think marijuana should be legal, in addition to all the others. Marijuana especially since it's not any worse than alcohol and people that are afraid of it are largely so due to propaganda. I say all though because I don't think the government should be telling people what they can and can't put in their bodies. It's not (or should not be) the place of government in my opinion. I know they like to say it's to protect other people from drug-induced violence and crime, but alcohol creates a ton of problems, violence, and deaths and is legal. Secondly, many of the people that would use hard drugs already use them now; it's not like they're not already accessible. Additionally, many things induce anger and violence in people—if you want to protect people from each other you might as well outlaw every potential agitator. I know a number of divorces and marital problems have lead to murder-suicides. Perhaps we should outlaw marriage, and especially divorce. The fact is you can't legislate people into being good neighbors and citizens.

I started out thinking just of marijuana and softer drugs, but legalizing all drugs would just be one step farther in terms of more freedom, weakening cartels and gangs, cutting the drug war and prison spending, and keeping users safe with taxed and regulated drugs. The stuff is already accessible anyway. Most people who don't already use it aren't likely going to start doing cocaine or heroin tomorrow just because it's legal.

I'm not a fan of "harder" drugs (I don't use drugs at all, but things like meth, heroin, and cocaine are extremely unappealing, as opposed to drugs like marijuana and mushrooms which to me seem like no bigger deal than alcohol), but it's a matter of individual freedom. As long as you're not harming others you should be able to do with your body what you want.

Legalizing all drugs would also be a huge savings for government and law enforcement. Legalizing all drugs (as opposed to just marijuana) would keep even more people out of prisons and completely eliminate the war on drugs as it is. This is significant because prisons in the US today are often just criminal factories; people go in for relatively minor drug offenses and come out indoctrinated gang members. Once on the streets they become hardened, violent criminals as opposed to just drug users. Plus, with drugs legalized law enforcement would be freed up to focus on more pressing issues such as violent criminals.

Plus, drug cartels and street gangs would lose a huge amount of their means of revenue if all drugs were legal. This would be great news for the people of Mexican border towns who are dying every day in prohibition-induced drug wars.

Legalizing drugs would also lead to safer drugs for consumption. Companies would produce the drugs regulated by the government as opposed to people in their basements and drug labs lacing or cutting their products with dangerous substances. Speaking of health, legalizing drugs would also allow for better treatment of drug problems.

I don't want to emphasize potential tax revenues much since it would also cost money to regulate the drugs, but I think there would certainly be some revenues for the government from all the sales and production. Heck, just break even in terms of regulation costs vs taxation revenue and you'd be ahead because on top of that you'd have the savings in prisons, law enforcement, and the ending of the war on drugs. Another benefit could be jobs. A legalized drug trade would certainly create jobs, plus drug users could get jobs, as opposed to today where drug users either have to get past drug testing or simply can't get a job because they were in prison on drug charges. I don't want to emphasize jobs much either though since legal drugs would also put a lot of people out of work in places like the DEA.

Anyway, I certainly think marijuana should be legal. Other drugs as well, but I know there are more legitimate concerns with the effects of harder drugs. Basically though for me it boils down to freedom, money, and the fact that the stuff is already available so why not deal with it in a better way. Prohibition just doesn't work. All it does is create criminals, just look at the prohibition of alcohol. The majority of problems with drugs are prohibition related, not use related. The Saint Valentine's Day Massacre probably doesn't happen if prohibition wasn't in place, and the same things are happening today.

[I know a lot of that was US-centric, but obviously I can only speak of what I've known and experienced]
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Old November 11th, 2012, 01:33 AM   #140

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The prohibition of alcohol in the U.S. prompted to create the great New York and Chicago based mobs, and now, the boyz in the hood rule because there is a commodity to deal in the streets. Making it legal will remove the underground governments of these gangs.
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