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Old November 11th, 2012, 01:52 AM   #141

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I really don't care whethr states legalize Marijuana or not. I have no problem with marijuana smokers. When I watched the news about the US election I saw, that in one or more states the medical use marijuana was forbidden. That's tragic for all the sick people who use it, sometimes as last choice. It shows good effects on MS, cancer, chronical pains even for HIV. This was a really stupid decission of the voters, based on ignorance and prejudices.

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Old November 11th, 2012, 05:09 AM   #142

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marinol is legal in all states. so it's ok to take it in pill form but it's illegal to smoke it?? doesn't make alot of sense..
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:11 AM   #143
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marinol is legal in all states. so it's ok to take it in pill form but it's illegal to smoke it?? doesn't make alot of sense..
No, especially since the pills don't work.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:50 PM   #144

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Now that the UN wants to get involved, I think we should legalize it nationwide.

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The president of the International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) Thursday voiced “grave concern” about the votes legalizing marijuana in the US states of Colorado and Washington, as well as in the Michigan cities of Detroit and Flint. INCB head Raymond Yans also warned that allowing for the legal, non-medical sale of marijuana would violate the 1961 UN Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs.
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Yans also noted that “for the international drug control system to function effectively, to achieve its aim of ensuring availability of drugs for medical purposes while preventing their abuse, the conventions must be universally adhered to and implemented by all states.” He called on the US government “to take the necessary measures to ensure full compliance with the international drug control treaties within the entire territory of the United States, in order to protect the health and well-being of its citizens.”
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 02:10 AM   #145

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I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if I am repeating stuff here.

Whilst being an advocate of low impact recreational drug use I am concerned that there is no reliable roadside test for THC (as far as I know), as there is for alcohol. I worry that legalisation will increase the numbers of teenagers driving around, ripped to the tits, with no reliable roadside test of sobriety.
One the one hand: If it feels good do it.
On the other hand: not if it kills people.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 02:34 AM   #146

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I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if I am repeating stuff here.

Whilst being an advocate of low impact recreational drug use I am concerned that there is no reliable roadside test for THC (as far as I know), as there is for alcohol. I worry that legalisation will increase the numbers of teenagers driving around, ripped to the tits, with no reliable roadside test of sobriety.
One the one hand: If it feels good do it.
On the other hand: not if it kills people.
Here's what I've learned over the last 15 years:

1. It's very easy to tell if someone is stoned or not by simply looking at them.
2. People who are stoned drive very slowly in comparison to normal, as being stoned makes you feel as if everything is happening very fast.
3. Cannabis is very easy to get hold of. You could go into any city in the UK and get some within an hour or two.
4. 'Ripped to the tits' is not appropriate terminology for being high on cannabis. You don't get 'ripped' because that implies that it's some kind of stimulant that makes you 'pumped' or more active in some way. It does the precise opposite.
5. They're already driving around stoned if they want to.

It's already happening as if it was legal, it just isn't, yet. Very little would change.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 06:39 AM   #147

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Here's what I have learned over the last 35 years:

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1. It's very easy to tell if someone is stoned or not by simply looking at them.
Only if you can see their pupils. Long term smokers who have developed a tolerance are quite hard to spot, at least according to my wifes friends husbands who are mostly plod.

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2. People who are stoned drive very slowly in comparison to normal, as being stoned makes you feel as if everything is happening very fast.
No, this all depends upon the individual. Many cannabis users get a 'speedy' reaction when behind the wheel. Again, testified to by the old bill.

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3. Cannabis is very easy to get hold of. You could go into any city in the UK and get some within an hour or two.
If it was legal you could get it in a minute or two, cheaper and of a more reliable quality too.

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4. 'Ripped to the tits' is not appropriate terminology for being high on cannabis. You don't get 'ripped' because that implies that it's some kind of stimulant that makes you 'pumped' or more active in some way. It does the precise opposite.
Well who died and made you the arbiter of stoner terminology? I have been hearing that phrase in relation to cannabis for at least the last twenty years. Appropriateness doesn't really apply here does it? When was the last time you heard a stoner make sense, let alone say anything appropriate?
BTW cannabis can be a depressant or a stimulant, depending on the psychological make up of the user. Often its effects include a bit of both which is what gives it such a unique buzz.


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5. They're already driving around stoned if they want to.
And if we had a reliable roadside test we could charge them for endangering lives, just like we do to drunk drivers.


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It's already happening as if it was legal, it just isn't, yet. Very little would change.
If it was legal usage would rise phenomenally, with all the attendant troubles for policing, health and public order that would go with it.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 06:55 AM   #148

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If it was legal usage would rise phenomenally
I don't know that that's true. It's easy enough to get now for anyone who wants it, and the fact that it's illegal doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 06:59 AM   #149

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Here's what I have learned over the last 35 years:
I was trying to be helpful, I wasn't expecting such a defensive response.

So, how much cannabis have you smoked? How much do you smoke a day? How long have you done this for? How many people do you know who smoke cannabis? How often do you see them stoned?

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Only if you can see their pupils. Long term smokers who have developed a tolerance are quite hard to spot, at least according to my wifes friends husbands who are mostly plod.
Okay, well according to someone who really knows due to a great deal of direct, and not second-or-third hand experience, it's very easy to spot.

The pupils are irrelevant, as you're thinking of a drug like cocaine or ecstasy. Cannabis doesn't obviously dilate the pupil, but it makes the white of the eye go pinkish-red. This is the tell-tale sign that you cannot prevent.

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No, this all depends upon the individual. Many cannabis users get a 'speedy' reaction when behind the wheel. Again, testified to by the old bill.
Then they're not talking about cannabis, they're talking about 'drugs'.

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If it was legal you could get it in a minute or two, cheaper and of a more reliable quality too.
So, what is the difference? My point is that it is as widely available as if it were legal, either way. The people who want it can still get it with minimal effort.

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Well who died and made you the arbiter of stoner terminology?
Well, nobody that I know of, but I know an inaccurate description when I hear one. If eating lots of burgers made you 'fat as a rake' you'd probably point out that rakes aren't particularly wide, wouldn't you?

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I have been hearing that phrase in relation to cannabis for at least the last twenty years.
That doesn't mean it isn't inaccurate.

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Appropriateness doesn't really apply here does it? When was the last time you heard a stoner make sense, let alone say anything appropriate?
Ever enjoyed music, Davidus?

Bigotry aside, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. I'd probably recommend not attempting to be an authority on something you clearly have very little personal experience of.

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BTW cannabis can be a depressant or a stimulant, depending on the psychological make up of the user. Often its effects include a bit of both which is what gives it such a unique buzz.
Cannabis doesn't give a 'buzz', unless this is another misnomer you're using. And the stuff you'll (well, not you, but users) buy is in no way a stimulant.

Again, it doesn't at all depend on psychological makeup. The side-effects depend on that.

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And if we had a reliable roadside test we could charge them for endangering lives, just like we do to drunk drivers.
I agree, it'd be nice to have such a thing.

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If it was legal usage would rise phenomenally, with all the attendant troubles for policing, health and public order that would go with it.
I presume you are an incredibly fat, alcoholic chain-smoker, then?

No, it wouldn't. Would you go and take heroin if it were legal tomorrow? Neither would I.

You have missed my point about the availability of it. People who want to smoke weed already smoke weed. The consumption is not going to rise by a significant degree because the people who want it already have it.

It's like Iran claiming they don't have gays in their country.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 07:13 AM   #150

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... And the stuff you'll (well, not you, but users) buy is in no way a stimulant.

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But it is. It keeps you up all night.
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