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Old November 22nd, 2012, 07:24 AM   #151

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But it is. It keeps you up all night.
My natural predisposition towards procrastination keeps me up all night - I keep meaning to go to bed, but I'll do it later!
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 07:28 AM   #152

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My natural predisposition towards procrastination keeps me up all night - I keep meaning to go to bed, but I'll do it later!
We're still young. My boss - who's in his 50s - says viagra keeps him up all night...
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 07:44 AM   #154

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We're still young.
That's what I keep telling myself, no matter what my knees say!

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My boss - who's in his 50s - says viagra keeps him up all night...
My girlfriend should be so lucky...!
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 07:56 AM   #155

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I wasn't being defensive as I am not defending any particular viewpoint here. I was merely trying to point out that what you've learned over the last 15 years doesn't amount to much.

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So, how much cannabis have you smoked? How much do you smoke a day? How long have you done this for? How many people do you know who smoke cannabis? How often do you see them stoned?
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More than I can remember.
Now, none or only once in a while. Back in the day it was at least a quarter a week.
I did that for about fifteen years.
Loads.
Not so much nowadays but back then it was all the time.

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Okay, well according to someone who really knows due to a great deal of direct, and not second-or-third hand experience, it's very easy to spot.

The pupils are irrelevant, as you're thinking of a drug like cocaine or ecstasy. Cannabis doesn't obviously dilate the pupil, but it makes the white of the eye go pinkish-red. This is the tell-tale sign that you cannot prevent.

Then they're not talking about cannabis, they're talking about 'drugs'.
As I said, long term users build up physiological resistance to THC, 'red eye' is significantly diminished and often unnoticeable amongst this group. Pupil dilation is a recognised symptom of cannabis use, at least according to the Avon and Somerset Constabulary Drugs liaison officer, several beat coppers and half a dozen drugs rehab workers I know from my time as a psychiatric nurse. They were specifically talking about cannabis, both hash and weed.

However I will bow to your superior knowledge in these matters and make sure you get the credit when the medical books and police procedures are re written.

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Well, nobody that I know of, but I know an inaccurate description when I hear one. If eating lots of burgers made you 'fat as a rake' you'd probably point out that rakes aren't particularly wide, wouldn't you?
No, but I would point out what a bloody stupid saying that was

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Bigotry aside, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. I'd probably recommend not attempting to be an authority on something you clearly have very little personal experience of.
Are you calling me a bigot? Think carefully before answering that. But make sure you do answer that.

As I have said,I have an extensive (and not always positive) experience of drug use, and not just cannabis. BTW who is being defensive now?

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Cannabis doesn't give a 'buzz', unless this is another misnomer you're using. And the stuff you'll (well, not you, but users) buy is in no way a stimulant.
Medical science appears to disagree with you. It is classified as a depressant but has many stimulant effects. Buzz is a colloquial term, I'm not going to get into a debate about semantics with someone as obviously prone to literalism as you.

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I presume you are an incredibly fat, alcoholic chain-smoker, then?
You presume incorrectly. I smoke occasionally, drink occasionally and am nowhere near as fat as you ( I have seen the video). I know I am being facetious here but your point is laboured and, well, pointless.


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No, it wouldn't. Would you go and take heroin if it were legal tomorrow? Neither would I.
But many, many addicts would. I have worked in Drug rehab and know many people who would happily OD tommorow if it were legal.

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You have missed my point about the availability of it. People who want to smoke weed already smoke weed. The consumption is not going to rise by a significant degree because the people who want it already have it.
The police, social services, courts and NHS all disagree with you.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 08:14 AM   #156

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I think it should be decriminalised in a rather limited way; buyable amounts ought to be drastically supervised and those who utilise this service should be officially registered and logged. The latter would be shown to employers and not only, disclosing all the potential user's history and frequency of purchase.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 01:39 PM   #157
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I am fully, unequivocally and marble hearted against it. The only thin spider web support of it at all is for medical patients. I have zero tolerance for it, and even less support for making it legal and no amount of debate would make me change my mind. It would just be a collision of arguments.
I have to quote Geo. Washington when he wrote, "It is the child of avarice, the brother of iniquity, and father of mischief."
Washington lived in a society that may have not been very accepting of marijuana, thus shaping his views on the drug. But there are many cultures in the world that use the drug and don't see it as a bad thing.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #158

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^I agree with you because had marijuana been accepted into the mainstreem like alcohol or tobacco, the people's perception of it is just like them.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 09:19 PM   #159
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I think it should be decriminalised in a rather limited way; buyable amounts ought to be drastically supervised and those who utilise this service should be officially registered and logged. The latter would be shown to employers and not only, disclosing all the potential user's history and frequency of purchase.
Why do this for weed and not alcohol? Why should employers be able to view any sort of legal purchase you've made in your private life?
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