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Old June 25th, 2011, 01:19 PM   #61

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Yes, but far fewer women would be likely to have premarital sex, because of th social stigma, or because of genuine moral scruples. waiting until marriage was much more common.
Morality in society has never been a constant, it waxes and wanes along with most things. I'm not sure what time period you refer to, perhaps the Victorian era, but London was teeming with prostitution in the 1890's. When you get into the actual court records of the 1700's and/or look at some of the literature produced in that time period it's obvious sex, and all its associated sins, was alive and well.

Here's the plot of Moll Flanders, written in 1722:
"The Fortunes and Misfortunes of the Famous Moll Flanders, etc. Who was Born in Newgate, and during a Life of continu'd Variety for Threescore Years, besides her Childhood, was Twelve Year a Whore, five times a Wife (whereof once to her own Brother), Twelve Year a Thief, Eight Year a Transported Felon in Virginia, at last grew Rich, liv'd Honest, and died a Penitent. Written from her own Memorandums."
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The Marquis de Sade wrote Justine and Juliette in the 1790's - published in Holland in 1801. The plot of Justine can be summed up as:
"In her search for work and shelter Justine constantly fell into the hands of perverts and rogues who would rape and torture her and the people she makes friends with."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_(Sade)

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Sex In The 1700s
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Old June 25th, 2011, 01:27 PM   #62

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Morality in society has never been a constant, it waxes and wanes along with most things. I'm not sure what time period you refer to, perhaps the Victorian era, but London was teeming with prostitution in the 1890's. When you get into the actual court records of the 1700's and/or look at some of the literature produced in that time period it's obvious sex, and all its associated sins, was alive and well.

Here's the plot of Moll Flanders, written in 1722:
"The Fortunes and Misfortunes of the Famous Moll Flanders, etc. Who was Born in Newgate, and during a Life of continu'd Variety for Threescore Years, besides her Childhood, was Twelve Year a Whore, five times a Wife (whereof once to her own Brother), Twelve Year a Thief, Eight Year a Transported Felon in Virginia, at last grew Rich, liv'd Honest, and died a Penitent. Written from her own Memorandums."
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The Marquis de Sade wrote Justine and Juliette in the 1790's - published in Holland in 1801. The plot of Justine can be summed up as:
"In her search for work and shelter Justine constantly fell into the hands of perverts and rogues who would rape and torture her and the people she makes friends with."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_(Sade)

And this article will give you insight on just who was reading these risque materials:

Sex In The 1700s
Yes, but respectable women were not expected to be whores in any era. Respectable girls did not have sex until they married, and were expected to be chaste thereafter. Moll Flanders was not supposed to be a role model for girls.

if you imagine that the Victorian era was the only era in which female chastity was valued then you are completely away with the fairies.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #63

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Yes, but respectable women were not expected to be whores in any era. Respectable girls did not have sex until they married, and were expected to be chaste thereafter. Moll Flanders was not supposed to be a role model for girls.

if you imagine that the Victorian era was the only era in which female chastity was valued then you are completely away with the fairies.
Well, let's take London as an example. In 1758 it was calculated there were 62,500 prostitutes of various types in and around London. This means, one in every 5 women was a prostitute. This is the London where Daniel Defoe got his material for "Moll Flanders" and William Hogarth, painter, the material for his 1732 series "A Harlot's Progress."

Amazon.com: London's Sinful Secret: The Bawdy History and Very Public Passions of London's Georgian Age (9780312658984): Dan Cruickshank: Books
Amazon.com: London's Sinful Secret: The Bawdy History and Very Public Passions of London's Georgian Age (9780312658984): Dan Cruickshank: Books


Comparing the 1700's to today, what major city has prostitution on that level? As I said, morality comes and goes with the ages and we (today) are not doomed because we are living in a liberal era.

Also, during the 1700's, homosexuals (of all classes) were frequenting the "molly houses"
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There is not prostitution on that scale, however look at the attitudes about sex. It is safe to say that while one in five are not prostitutes, one in five act like prostitutes, and they either receive money or some other form of compensation in many cases.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 07:30 AM   #65

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I'm married 21 years, and I say no, never. My wife and I have talked about it occasionally, and we agree it is an utter betrayal and neither one of us could forgive such a thing. How could trust ever be regained?

For us, we entered a relationship and made vows before God, and to each other. My word is not so easily broken.
^^ This. If I just wanted to get my jollies, I wouldn't get married in the first place. Marriage is about commitment. If you're getting married thinking, "I've always got an out," then it means nothing.
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Depends on the meaning of cheating. Cheating as an adaptation to overcome a problem is a strength. Cheating in things like a relationship show mental weakness. In fact I guess cheating in most things show mental weakness.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 07:53 AM   #67

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If there would be really, really, but I mean really super rultra mega hot chick somewhere with me, and another chick with same attributes and with us, and my girlfriend is far far away, lets say in Nigeria or Guatemala, I'd call her, tell her, baby we're breaking up, have wonderful threesome sex, all night long and call her again after she come back with an excuse that I've been used and abused on a psychological base.

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Have threesome, spy on the girlfriend and after some time I'd sooner or later discover that she's been cheating on me(based on statistics)

or

Respect her, love her and tell my little friend down here that another night with pornos is not bad choice either.

lol I'm throwing a birthday party tonight, so I'm thinking about sex more than usual.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 07:59 AM   #68
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Depends on the meaning of cheating. Cheating as an adaptation to overcome a problem is a strength. Cheating in things like a relationship show mental weakness. In fact I guess cheating in most things show mental weakness.
In sports it depends on whether or not you get caught. if you are not cheating, you are not trying hard enough.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:46 AM   #69

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Is it ever OK to cheat on your loved one?

What if you haven't had sex in a million years? Maybe a trillion.

Or, or....the relationship has been emotionally dead for a good while but you are stuck for one reason or another?

Either ask permission from your partner or get a divorce.
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To ask such a question as cheating, we must known a conflict of conscience. That said, cheating comes from those who harbor weakness in their psychological make up. Obviously. :0
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