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View Poll Results: A person should:
always obey laws/authority, regardless of personal views 3 10.00%
always follow personal values, even if it means disobedience 7 23.33%
always question authority, and obey it only up to a certain point of moral concessions 15 50.00%
Other 5 16.67%
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Old October 14th, 2011, 06:35 AM   #21

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But, I do recommend you live on the edge just a little.
The edge is more thrilling. I've always, always been in control of my
emotions & bottled up my lazy dark emotions. I"ve always avoided
confrontation-it just isn't worth the elevated blood pressure, but I'm
finding out that being nice gets you treated equally with those who
get to pop off and do all those 'bad' things.
I make a living not speaking my mind to students, and members here,
and hold my tongue. It doesn't pay to be nice anymore. I've had 50
years of being nice. Hmmm buy a red convertible?
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Old October 14th, 2011, 06:49 AM   #22

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I make a living not speaking my mind to students, and members here,
and hold my tongue. It doesn't pay to be nice anymore. I've had 50
years of being nice. Hmmm buy a red convertible?
Which reminds me of "Gandhi 2 - no more mister nice guy"


Sorry for the comic relief, I couldn't resist.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 07:01 AM   #23
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Besides, please remember that the archetypical rebellion of the Hero against the world by which he/she is so utterly misunderstood is mostly just that, an archetype, an ideal myth, as it was so cleverly explained by Joseph Campbell since so long ago.

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When properly examined, the careers of the vast majority of heroic historical figures seem to have actually been quite respectful of legality, at least from the perspective of the side of the revering narrative.

Aside of any heroic annihilation of any purported pure evil regime as narrated by their successors, of course.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 07:26 AM   #24

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Besides, please remember that the archetypical rebellion of the Hero against the world by which he/she is so utterly misunderstood is mostly just that, an archetype, an ideal myth, as it was so cleverly explained by Joseph Campbell since so long ago.
At the same time, it has been the renegades who have prompted social change.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 07:30 AM   #25

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Which reminds me of "Gandhi 2 - no more mister nice guy"

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Sorry for the comic relief, I couldn't resist.
Loved it!
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Needless to say, it all depends on who you may be asking to and their current standpoint.

E.g., it seems that plenty of the same people that tend to so enthusiastically applaud the utterly unlawful disobedience of Herr von Stauffenberg tend to be not so enthusiastic regarding the equally unlawful disobedience of Mr Vanunu.
That is correct, they may not be enthusiastic about it if it clashes with their own values.

For example, emotionally I consider him a bloody short-sighted idiot to do what he did, but I cannot but feel respect for his decision to stand up for what he believed in, even at a terrible price to himself. The two are not connected.
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At the same time, it has been the renegades who have prompted social change.
Isn't it usually so?

To achieve something drastically different you must choose to not follow the standard and accepted. It is impossible to do out of obedience.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 10:32 AM   #29

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When properly examined, the careers of the vast majority of heroic historical figures seem to have actually been quite respectful of legality, at least from the perspective of the side of the revering narrative.

Aside of any heroic annihilation of any purported pure evil regime as narrated by their successors, of course.
Well, there is no reason to be black-or-white here. Nobody says or supposes that it must either be total obedience or total disobedience.

But those who bring change are much more inclined to follow their own truth and belief than to be obedient to authority, and when they are - it is merely because that authority doesn't propose anything they seriously disagree with.
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Isn't it usually so?

To achieve something drastically different you must choose to not follow the standard and accepted. It is impossible to do out of obedience.
Yes, I think you are right.
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