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October 14th, 2011, 06:35 AM
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#21 | | Epicurean
Joined: Mar 2009 From: Texas Posts: 23,904 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake10 But, I do recommend you live on the edge just a little. | The edge is more thrilling. I've always, always been in control of my
emotions & bottled up my lazy dark emotions. I"ve always avoided
confrontation-it just isn't worth the elevated blood pressure, but I'm
finding out that being nice gets you treated equally with those who
get to pop off and do all those 'bad' things.
I make a living not speaking my mind to students, and members here,
and hold my tongue. It doesn't pay to be nice anymore. I've had 50
years of being nice. Hmmm buy a red convertible? | | |
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October 14th, 2011, 06:49 AM
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#22 | | ou solitaire
Joined: Aug 2009 From: Athens, Greece Posts: 3,733 | Quote:
Originally Posted by tjadams I make a living not speaking my mind to students, and members here,
and hold my tongue. It doesn't pay to be nice anymore. I've had 50
years of being nice. Hmmm buy a red convertible?  | Which reminds me of "Gandhi 2 - no more mister nice guy" 
Sorry for the comic relief, I couldn't resist. | | |
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October 14th, 2011, 07:01 AM
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#23 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 19,934 |
Besides, please remember that the archetypical rebellion of the Hero against the world by which he/she is so utterly misunderstood is mostly just that, an archetype, an ideal myth, as it was so cleverly explained by Joseph Campbell since so long ago. The Hero's Quest @Web English Teacher
When properly examined, the careers of the vast majority of heroic historical figures seem to have actually been quite respectful of legality, at least from the perspective of the side of the revering narrative.
Aside of any heroic annihilation of any purported pure evil regime as narrated by their successors, of course.
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October 14th, 2011, 07:26 AM
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#24 | | Spiritual Ronin
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Besides, please remember that the archetypical rebellion of the Hero against the world by which he/she is so utterly misunderstood is mostly just that, an archetype, an ideal myth, as it was so cleverly explained by Joseph Campbell since so long ago.
| At the same time, it has been the renegades who have prompted social change.
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October 14th, 2011, 07:30 AM
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#25 | | Epicurean
Joined: Mar 2009 From: Texas Posts: 23,904 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Solidaire Which reminds me of "Gandhi 2 - no more mister nice guy"  Gandhi 2 - YouTube
Sorry for the comic relief, I couldn't resist.  |  Loved it!
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October 14th, 2011, 10:26 AM
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#26 | | Seeker of the Light
Joined: Jul 2009 From: Israel Posts: 9,505 | Quote:
Originally Posted by sylla1 Needless to say, it all depends on who you may be asking to and their current standpoint.
E.g., it seems that plenty of the same people that tend to so enthusiastically applaud the utterly unlawful disobedience of Herr von Stauffenberg tend to be not so enthusiastic regarding the equally unlawful disobedience of Mr Vanunu. | That is correct, they may not be enthusiastic about it if it clashes with their own values.
For example, emotionally I consider him a bloody short-sighted idiot to do what he did, but I cannot but feel respect for his decision to stand up for what he believed in, even at a terrible price to himself. The two are not connected.
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October 14th, 2011, 10:29 AM
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#27 | | Seeker of the Light
Joined: Jul 2009 From: Israel Posts: 9,505 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasta At the same time, it has been the renegades who have prompted social change. | Isn't it usually so?
To achieve something drastically different you must choose to not follow the standard and accepted. It is impossible to do out of obedience.
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October 14th, 2011, 10:30 AM
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#28 | | This title is too lo
Joined: Apr 2010 From: T'Republic of Yorkshire Posts: 16,039 |
Wwbbd? | | |
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October 14th, 2011, 10:32 AM
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#29 | | Seeker of the Light
Joined: Jul 2009 From: Israel Posts: 9,505 | Quote:
Originally Posted by sylla1 When properly examined, the careers of the vast majority of heroic historical figures seem to have actually been quite respectful of legality, at least from the perspective of the side of the revering narrative.
Aside of any heroic annihilation of any purported pure evil regime as narrated by their successors, of course. | Well, there is no reason to be black-or-white here. Nobody says or supposes that it must either be total obedience or total disobedience.
But those who bring change are much more inclined to follow their own truth and belief than to be obedient to authority, and when they are - it is merely because that authority doesn't propose anything they seriously disagree with. | | |
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October 14th, 2011, 10:35 AM
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#30 | | Spiritual Ronin
Joined: Aug 2009 From: Minnesnowta Posts: 19,004 | Quote:
Originally Posted by vera Isn't it usually so?
To achieve something drastically different you must choose to not follow the standard and accepted. It is impossible to do out of obedience. | Yes, I think you are right. | | |
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