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Old October 20th, 2011, 05:59 PM   #1

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Who is to blame for poverty?


I'm always shocked when people blame the poor for being poor. We have loads of research to prove that's incorrect. Look at the working poor. Those who work more than 40 hours and are still poor, still struggling. The notion that people are just lazy and that accounts for the poor is wrong.

There's nothing worse than being poor. Worse yet is that you got a lot of folks thinking your to blame.

Of course, some people can be blamed for being poor. Sure, there's lazy people in this world. There's people who've made bad decisions.

Overwhelmingly poverty is inherited. Most poor people are under 18 or over 65. How can these people be blamed?

It seems like recently, candidates and conservatives, think that unemployment is the fault of the person who is unable to find a job. It's hard to believe that such thinking exists. But it does.

So who is to be blamed for poverty? Is it Capitalism? Is poverty just part of the system? Is it the government for not providing better safety nets? Or is it the poor themselves?
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Old October 20th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #2

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There have been poor people ever since wealth was created. The elites have always controlled a majority of it.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 06:42 PM   #3
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I'm always shocked when people blame the poor for being poor. We have loads of research to prove that's incorrect. Look at the working poor. Those who work more than 40 hours and are still poor, still struggling. The notion that people are just lazy and that accounts for the poor is wrong.

There's nothing worse than being poor. Worse yet is that you got a lot of folks thinking your to blame.

Of course, some people can be blamed for being poor. Sure, there's lazy people in this world. There's people who've made bad decisions.

Overwhelmingly poverty is inherited. Most poor people are under 18 or over 65. How can these people be blamed?

It seems like recently, candidates and conservatives, think that unemployment is the fault of the person who is unable to find a job. It's hard to believe that such thinking exists. But it does.

So who is to be blamed for poverty? Is it Capitalism? Is poverty just part of the system? Is it the government for not providing better safety nets? Or is it the poor themselves?
It is not Capitalism, that causes people to be poor. Capitalism is what has
created wealth over the last 200 yrs, in the US. Currently there is a lack
of job opportunities, in the USA, that I feel is keeping people in poverty.

A lack of jobs, is a problem caused by many different things. Such things
include, high fuel and other energy costs, too much government bureaucracy, forcing up the cost of doing business and limited disposable
income, which causes consumers to have less to spend, and other things
like that. High tax burdens and a very complex taxation system, are also
other problems, slowing down the US economy, which reduces job growth.

Really I think if the US, put the squeeze on some of these regulations
and other impediments, to producing our own energy, lowing fuel costs
would help, the economy recover and increase job growth.

The Not I My Backyard (NIMB) folks, who I feel are selfish, are also part
of the problem. Restricting developement also forces prices up and that
hurts job growth as well.

Immigration has also flooded the job market. This has lowered wages for
people in the US, also reducing the money they have to spend.

Labor is a market, when supply goes up, that forces down wages. This I
feel is hurting the middle class a lot. And really no one is saying or doing
anything about it. The claim that immigration does not increase unemployment is just nonsense, often made by pointy headed economists
at some university, who have never been out in the real world.

So, there you have 3 reasons, people are poor. No of them is Capitalism!

I also feel, these could be fixed, if the media and others were honest about what is happening in he USA.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #4

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I'm always shocked when people blame the poor for being poor. We have loads of research to prove that's incorrect. Look at the working poor. Those who work more than 40 hours and are still poor, still struggling. The notion that people are just lazy and that accounts for the poor is wrong.

There's nothing worse than being poor. Worse yet is that you got a lot of folks thinking your to blame.

Of course, some people can be blamed for being poor. Sure, there's lazy people in this world. There's people who've made bad decisions.

Overwhelmingly poverty is inherited. Most poor people are under 18 or over 65. How can these people be blamed?

It seems like recently, candidates and conservatives, think that unemployment is the fault of the person who is unable to find a job. It's hard to believe that such thinking exists. But it does.

So who is to be blamed for poverty? Is it Capitalism? Is poverty just part of the system? Is it the government for not providing better safety nets? Or is it the poor themselves?
I'd say it's just the way things are in society and government, particularly capitalism. There has often been a higher class, a middle class, and a lower class. I'd say part of it is the wealthy's desire to stay wealthy and to keep things the way they are, and the inundating population of poverty-stricken people that the government finds hard to reach. It's not help millions upon millions of poor properly through government acts or laws.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #5

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There have been poor people ever since wealth was created. The elites have always controlled a majority of it.
I'll agree with this.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 06:47 PM   #6
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I blame you!

No I'm kidding...
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Old October 20th, 2011, 06:49 PM   #7

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Some people are poor because of lack of opportunity or other factors outside their control, a few are poor because they are lazy.
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Some people are poor because of lack of opportunity or other factors outside their control, a few are poor because they are lazy.
And many, at least here in China, are poor because of gambling addictions.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 06:54 PM   #9
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It couldn't be any more obvious; the richs are to be blamed

Because if the rich people were poor, inevitably we all would be equally poor .

There could not be any more Marxist tautology, right ?
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Old October 20th, 2011, 06:59 PM   #10

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I'm always shocked when people blame the poor for being poor. We have loads of research to prove that's incorrect. Look at the working poor. Those who work more than 40 hours and are still poor, still struggling. The notion that people are just lazy and that accounts for the poor is wrong.

There's nothing worse than being poor. Worse yet is that you got a lot of folks thinking your to blame.

Of course, some people can be blamed for being poor. Sure, there's lazy people in this world. There's people who've made bad decisions.

Overwhelmingly poverty is inherited. Most poor people are under 18 or over 65. How can these people be blamed?

It seems like recently, candidates and conservatives, think that unemployment is the fault of the person who is unable to find a job. It's hard to believe that such thinking exists. But it does.

So who is to be blamed for poverty? Is it Capitalism? Is poverty just part of the system? Is it the government for not providing better safety nets? Or is it the poor themselves?
I like Rousseau's explanation of the origin of inequalities. With the socialization of humans, we have stopped taking care of all our needs themselves and now depend on others to produce our food and other fundamental needs. Naturally, inequalities emerge from these dependencies.

Therefore, I'd say that it is fair to say that the socialization of homo sapiens caused the emergence of the phenomenon of poverty. Who's fault exactly is it? Well, it's hard to say.

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