Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > Themes in History > Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology Forum - Perennial Ideas and Debates that cross societal/time boundaries


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:22 PM   #1

Patheya's Avatar
an empty chalice
 
Joined: Jun 2008
From: Catalonia
Posts: 784
Question Entertainment for the Masses?


Two questions

Is it true, and where is it documented, that the Romans used games as 'entertainment for the masses' in an attempt to keep them from action against the established power?

Also, I read that Marx, (excuse me if I misquote, there seems to be some dispute over the exact translation), wrote 'religion is the opiate of the people'.

If we accept this as true, and even if we don't, what are the main opiates of the people today? What do the 'powers' use to keep us 'happy' and not challenge the established powers?

Comments highly welcome. Remember, if someone is feeling hot under the collar with this topic, I don't know if any of it is true. I would like to know your opinions. The topic is open to debate.
Patheya is offline  
Remove Ads
Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:30 PM   #2

Cigarette Smoking Man's Avatar
Citizen
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 28
Re: Entertainment for the Masses?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Patheya View Post
Two questions

Is it true, and where is it documented, that the Romans used games as 'entertainment for the masses' in an attempt to keep them from action against the established power?

Also, I read that Marx, (excuse me if I misquote, there seems to be some dispute over the exact translation), wrote 'religion is the opiate of the people'.

If we accept this as true, and even if we don't, what are the main opiates of the people today? What do the 'powers' use to keep us 'happy' and not challenge the established powers?

Comments highly welcome. Remember, if someone is feeling hot under the collar with this topic, I don't know if any of it is true. I would like to know your opinions. The topic is open to debate.
You bring up an interesting issue. Some people seriously think society does not have conscious or unconscious forms of population pacification.

I do, though.

Forms of pacification include mass media, where we are given stories about celebrities and whatnot. You can add sports, sports has been used to entertain the masses for many milennia. You can add piss-poor music. There's a lot of entertainment out there that keeps people stupid. It's matter of whether you want to believe it's deliberate or not.
Cigarette Smoking Man is offline  
Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:33 PM   #3
Lecturer
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 409
Re: Entertainment for the Masses?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Patheya View Post
If we accept this as true, and even if we don't, what are the main opiates of the people today? What do the 'powers' use to keep us 'happy' and not challenge the established powers?
In the US, it can be argued that work itself is something that keeps us from rocking the boat.

Very few voters in the US actually vote, and one of the biggest reasons there is not more participation is that voting must occur on ONE day and for hard working Americans, they cannot get to the polls in time and they can't afford to take off.

Less than 1/3 of Americans actually vote. This contributes (thought it is far from the only factor) to a lack of political efficacy and keeps the country more stable (for better or worse - we often complain that nothing gets done in Washington and that real change is hard to come by)
Soldiers Valhala is offline  
Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:40 PM   #4

Cigarette Smoking Man's Avatar
Citizen
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 28
Re: Entertainment for the Masses?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Soldiers Valhala View Post
In the US, it can be argued that work itself is something that keeps us from rocking the boat.

Very few voters in the US actually vote, and one of the biggest reasons there is not more participation is that voting must occur on ONE day and for hard working Americans, they cannot get to the polls in time and they can't afford to take off.

Less than 1/3 of Americans actually vote. This contributes (thought it is far from the only factor) to a lack of political efficacy and keeps the country more stable (for better or worse - we often complain that nothing gets done in Washington and that real change is hard to come by)
Tell that to the millions we kill.

All Iraqi violent deaths,
ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties
. As of August 2007: 1,033,000 (946,000-1,120,000). Causes; gunshots (48%), car bombs (20%), aerial bombing (9%), accidents (6%), another blast/ordnance (6%). [2]
***Total deaths (all excess deaths)
Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties
- As of June 2006: 654,965 (392,979-942,636). 601,027 violent deaths (31% by Coalition, 24% by others, 46% unknown)[29][30]
All Iraqi violent deaths.
Iraqi_Health_Ministry_casualty_survey Iraqi_Health_Ministry_casualty_survey
for the
World_Health_Organization World_Health_Organization
.
As of June 2006: 151,000 (104,000 to 223,000).[31][32][33][34]
Cigarette Smoking Man is offline  
Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:43 PM   #5
Lecturer
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 409
Re: Entertainment for the Masses?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigarette Smoking Man View Post
Tell that to the millions we kill.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that... I don't dispute your facts, I inquire about what you are trying to say.
Soldiers Valhala is offline  
Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:46 PM   #6

Cigarette Smoking Man's Avatar
Citizen
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 28
Re: Entertainment for the Masses?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Soldiers Valhala View Post
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that... I don't dispute your facts, I inquire about what you are trying to say.
I am not attacking you, I'm pointing out a lot gets done in Washington, like how often we go to war and kill people.
Cigarette Smoking Man is offline  
Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:50 PM   #7
Lecturer
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 409
Re: Entertainment for the Masses?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigarette Smoking Man View Post
I am not attacking you, I'm pointing out a lot gets done in Washington, like how often we go to war and kill people.
Ah. OK. Gotcha.

Yes. It is so much easier to destroy than to create, is it not?

Maybe I shall correct my statement to correctly read: "It is argued, that nothing constructive gets done in Washington."
Soldiers Valhala is offline  
Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:53 PM   #8

Cigarette Smoking Man's Avatar
Citizen
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 28
Re: Entertainment for the Masses?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Soldiers Valhala View Post
Ah. OK. Gotcha.

Yes. It is so much easier to destroy than to create, is it not?

Maybe I shall correct my statement to correctly read: "It is argued, that nothing constructive gets done in Washington."
You don't have to correct anything, nor listen to me at all. But it's good we can see eye-to-eye. I agree with your original comment about Washington in the context of law and bureaucracy; very little in that sector gets done. Which I suppose is a good thing. We have a hell of a lot of problems with our society, but we have less problems than societies like Iran or North Korea thank god.
Cigarette Smoking Man is offline  
Old July 9th, 2008, 01:45 PM   #9

Insomnia's Avatar
Citizen
 
Joined: Jul 2008
From: Chicago
Posts: 37
Re: Entertainment for the Masses?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigarette Smoking Man View Post
You bring up an interesting issue. Some people seriously think society does not have conscious or unconscious forms of population pacification.

I do, though.

Forms of pacification include mass media, where we are given stories about celebrities and whatnot. You can add sports, sports has been used to entertain the masses for many milennia. You can add piss-poor music. There's a lot of entertainment out there that keeps people stupid. It's matter of whether you want to believe it's deliberate or not.

True, all of these are used as opiates to keep the nation down.

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/the-chemical-dumbing-down-of-america/
Insomnia is offline  
Old July 9th, 2008, 02:41 PM   #10

Pedro's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2008
From: On a mountain top in Costa Rica. yea...I win!!
Posts: 10,950
Re: Entertainment for the Masses?


Bread and circuses origin is here:
Bread_and_circuses Bread_and_circuses
Pedro is offline  
Reply

  Historum > Themes in History > Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology

Tags
entertainment, masses


Thread Tools
Display Modes


Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.