Rasta

Conditioned response. We are not so different than animals after all.

kromanti

I contend that the human species has broken off and has become something else or is very close to becoming something else. soon women won't even need wombs

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We have a will and are not slaves to instinct that is the main aspect of humanity that separates us from animals, we can survive a gom jabbar and they cannot.

Rasta

So when you have sex, do you choose whether or not you want it to feel good? When your child is born do you choose whether or not you want to love it? We are slaves to our insticts as well.

kromanti

No we are not, many people don't love their children and sex does not always feel good just ask a woman who has been raped. It's not that we have complete control over our emotions it's that we have total control over our actions, animals don't. We can override our wiring this makes us so different that we are no longer animals.

Rasta

There is nothing that makes us "no longer animal". It is just an arbitrary qualification that we make for ourselves, similar to how kings called themselves gods. It does not make it so.

We are not the only animal with a faculty of reason. Yes ours is more developed, but there are many things that other animals can do that we can't.

kromanti

No my qualifications are not arbitrary, I'm not just picking my definition of what separates man from animals out of a hat. It's not about the power to reason, most creatures have some limited ability to reason. Man can control himself and animals cannot. Your way of thinking lowers man mine recongnizes how incredible we are. The heart of the matter exists in the questions what is an animal ? and what is a human? and how do you define these two things.

Rasta

1. I think humans are incredible animals. I just see other animals as incredible too, in their own way.

2. Animals can control themselves to some degree, especially social creatures who must abide by social rules of the group. I know that my dog wants to eat my food. By my dog will not even try unless given permission.

3. It is completely arbitrary. Do you think that animals who do have some measure of control are only partially animal, or fully animal? Are humans part animal because we can't control all of our impulses?

Frog33inUK

Humans are animals. The human's phylum is Chordata (vertebrate). The human's class is mammalia. It's order is primate (the same as apes). It's family is Hominidae (apes that have no tail and can gather food with their hands.) The Human's sub-family is Homininae. It's tribe is Hominini. It's genus is Homo and it's specie is scientifically named Homo Sapiens.

kromanti

Animals don't have any natural control, your dog does not eat your food because you have trained him not, a dog to left to his natural devices will eat and **** when ever it wants too. Humans can control all our impulses. Just look at war to fight under fire soldiers have to control the impulse to run away. I'm married i don't sleep with other women because i control my impulse, when someone gets me angry i don't punch them because i can control myself. Animals are great but humans are not animals. The scope of our consciousness is so great that equating us to an animals would be like equating a quantum computer to a calculator. Not only can humans control their impulses we can control our environment, Animals cannot. They are trapped in and live in it, we are no longer. We moved beyond the animal kingdom in our thinking and actions.

kromanti

All that science is fine but it's a very narrow minded definition. It might show where we came from but not what we are. We have diverged from mere apes or any mammal.