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View Poll Results: Should remunerated sex be legal between consenting adults?
Legal and regulated. Albeit controversial, it is a profession, basically. 49 79.03%
Not criminal, but it shouldn't be condoned and/or regulated by the legal system. 8 12.90%
Illegal, clients only. Pornography and/or striptease is a different thing. 1 1.61%
Illegal, prostitutes and clients. Pornography and/or striptease is a different thing. 1 1.61%
Illegal; professional pornography and/or striptease should be illegal as well. 3 4.84%
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Old November 13th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #141

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I don't see how one can have separation between state and church if the church's doctrines are legislated into laws that applies to everyone. In the West, abolitionists circumvent this by incorporating quasi-religious points as ideology, or political thought. For example, here it is outlawed as "violence against women". Yet, the law in question says nothing of women, or men, and applies equally if a 40-year old millionare, blind and handicapped, purchases sexual favors from a wealthy, middle-aged male prostitute. How this is "violence against women" (or, as is implicit, foreign poor women imported for the purpose of being exploited in a very gruesome way) was never explained. How can you use a sex-specific argument for any law, and further also not incorporate sex into the law itself? Gosh, the times, the mores.

This is, again, not saying I'd want to be involved in it, on either side. In a debate, however, I would;

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It is really difficult to separate the sphere of influence of the church from the state because the people who are citizens of the nation are the same followers of the dogma of religion. Nonetheless, there can still be the separation of the church and the state for as long as the coffers of the government are not used for the advancement or benefit of any religious organization which is the very essence of the doctrine itself. There must be no political party that represents the interests of the particular religious denomination that must be benefited by their representation in the government, for after all, the laws of the state is the reflection of the people's culture, for as long as there is no human rights violation which shall be the result of the same, it shall be fine, though, on this aspect, the arguments over the exercise of civil liberties shall always surface because the traditional ways of the communities shall hamper the exercise of freedom by the people.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 03:43 PM   #142

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After reading 141 posts on this topic I think I know who has daughters and who doesn't.
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Wouldn't be so sure; I know some people who pimp even the own offspring (both genres on both counts).
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Old November 13th, 2012, 05:17 PM   #144

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Prostitution should be legal
Where it's not legal there is some underground sex trade going on better to have it in the open and controlled.
Also there there are many women and men (I think we kind of forget that there are also male prostitutes) who are self-employed in this job.
There should be a minimal age (e.g. 18) of course and full access to social welfare services just like for any other job.
Prostitution is legal in Germany the Prostitutes have to pay income taxes and have to charge for their services, to be paid to the tax office.
Pimping, admitting prostitutes under the age of eighteen to a brothel, and influencing persons under the age of twenty-one to take up or continue work in prostitution, are illegal. It is also illegal to buy sex from any person younger than 18.
Of course some kind of social stigmatization persists and probably will for a long time.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 07:40 PM   #145

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After reading 141 posts on this topic I think I know who has daughters and who doesn't.
I don't have a daughter, but if I did I certainly wouldn't be pleased if she became a prostitute. But at least if it was legal and regulated she would have some measure of security. Not enough though.
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I don't have a daughter, but if I did I certainly wouldn't be pleased if she became a prostitute. But at least if it was legal and regulated she would have some measure of security. Not enough though.
The insinuation that legalized prostitution would by definition be "bad for women" is quite absurd. To break the most fundamental part of that argument, harken this; of prostitutes aged 18-30 in Scandinavia, males are a majority (or seem to be in every survey, it's quite hard to estimate when the activities in question may result in prosecution if disclosed). Not a single case, not a significant minority, but a majority! If the designated purpose is to "protect women" or "protect men who behave like women" (whatever that means, I don't like the lingo), shouldn't the laws be sex-specific then? Again, if I purchase sexual favors from an adult male, which daughter is "violated"? Would the "violation" of sons be of lesser ignominy? As if it were someone's duty or right to choose your children's profession.

Again, why do so many among us have the axiomatic assumption that a ban is the best way to counter something, even if it is desirable and reasonable to ban it? Is it really just to conclude from the beginning of a discussion on the legality of drugs that the War on Drugs has limited the consequences of drug trade? Similarly, shall we in the first place assume that a ban on these activities really make conditions better for prostitutes? Why do we assume so, if the evidence is indeed poor, and the possibilities to extract evidence would be limited by the adoption of such a doctrine? And what would be lost by instead working towards a law which says, for example, that you cannot use someone's drug addiction, mental disease or poverty against them to take free use in terms of sexual favors? Why would that be a worse solution than having a law against "giving a compensation - no, just money, or something of clear monetary value in exchange for a sexual favors - temporary such's, without recording the act, if you do that then it's ok I guess". Again, we don't have laws against all money-lending in order to prosecute usury (and the few who argue for a ban on lending money, even for interest, are usually dissuaded as moralist fanatics). Basically, this is about mores and of the right of leaders to elevate their code of morality into common law. And I may, without supporting the legislation of my morality, consider it deeply offensive or blatantly undesirable. I approve of the legality of many things I do not approve of.

Another common argument against these laws, which I just mentioned, is that of pornography. Most anti-prostitution laws can be circumvented if you film the act. Does anyone seriously want to ban pornography too? It would be hard, though not for these neo-moralists, to market it as "progressive" when it becomes obvious they've set out to reverse every step on the path to free sexuality which was commenced so recently.

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In the words of George Carlin...

"Why is prostitution illegal???
Selling is legal... f$$$ing is legal...
Why isn't selling f$$$ing legal???
Why is it illegal to sell something that it's legal to give away for free???"
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In the words of George Carlin...

"Why is prostitution illegal???
Selling is legal... f$$$ing is legal...
Why isn't selling f$$$ing legal???
Why is it illegal to sell something that it's legal to give away for free???"
Can I sell my vote? Just a hypothetical example.

Beautiful, George. On my preferrable Day of Judgment, you will stand strong.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:19 PM   #149

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Can I sell my vote? Just a hypothetical example.

Beautiful, George. On my preferrable Day of Judgment, you will stand strong.
Vote selling happens all the time. To my knowledge it's not illegal. If a friend came to me and said I'll give you $100 to vote for Obama and I did, I've just sold my vote. To my knowledge that's not illegal.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:37 PM   #150

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lol, maybe vote buying is not a crime in the U.S. because it is not rampant. In the Philippines vote buying and prostitution are both illegal, but look........

There are places in my country where there are signs and notices that provide, "no throwing of garbage" and look what are those......
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