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View Poll Results: Should remunerated sex be legal between consenting adults?
Legal and regulated. Albeit controversial, it is a profession, basically. 49 79.03%
Not criminal, but it shouldn't be condoned and/or regulated by the legal system. 8 12.90%
Illegal, clients only. Pornography and/or striptease is a different thing. 1 1.61%
Illegal, prostitutes and clients. Pornography and/or striptease is a different thing. 1 1.61%
Illegal; professional pornography and/or striptease should be illegal as well. 3 4.84%
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Old December 11th, 2012, 10:28 AM   #211
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Well, not really, as I am not dismissing or discounting the value of legalised prostitution. Personally I'm totally in favour of it because it does at least give some people a choice, even if not all.

From your link (and thank you by the way, it looks like an interesting site) - "Exception: Striving for perfection is not the same as the nirvana fallacy."

I was pointing out that it doesn't solve all of the problems and that even in countries where prostitution is legal, there are still a great many problems connected with it.
Touché.
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Legalizing the sex trade or issuing licenses in demarcated areas or banning prostitution , per se , will not address the issue , imo

To make the things complex , any matter related to sex , in itself , is an immensely debated one .
Sex is one of the primary traits which is essential for human body to continue its smooth functioning. But , since the humankind entered the fringes of civilization , sex started acquiring the status of more and more a private affair characterized by anathema . So the one who offers those services were started to be the subjects of derision and thus prostitutes started becoming the victims of ridiculization. As a matter of fact , the orgy or licentiousness [ in terms of sexual activities] can strike a lethal blow to the human society as it can proverbially adulterate the foundation of the society itself , i.e. FAMILY . So this might have been the reason why [open] sex is looked with disdain in societies.
The first and the important half of the answer lies in the spectre that is adopted by the society which is that the prostitution is viewed as one of the highest orders of debauchery and also the prostitutes as terrible sinners , but very few take into account the conditions how they were dragged into this flesh trade[though all of them are aware of it]. And I am sure not many women are attracted to prostitution due to money . The typical male dominated part of the society plays an active role in inciting such an orchestrated hatred. The society itself produces prostitutes and the men [ and the women] are themselves a part of it who are contributing to its growth .
So if the govt. really wants to ban prostitution , it has to , first , severely penalize the people who are the real reasons behind the flourishing of this business and offer a definite rehabilitation plans to the members who are ready to come out of it . Most of the women who are forced into prostitution shall not dare to come out due to the fear of severe discrimination .
And for the thoughts of legalizing prostitution , one has to appraise the society . Is the society ready to take it without any dire consequences !? Will not this lucrative flesh trade interest the entrepreneurs to kidnap girls , leading to a sexual discrimination ? If yes . there is no reason to justify it , in any moral sense !
And if the govt. is able to provide a total security and if the prostitution can be carried out by only the volunteering ones , then it is fine!
And the prostitutuon cannot be considered a profession till there's gender equality and if there are causes like high and diversified sexual appetites , it is better to control and strip them of rather than seeking some pleasure objects to satisfy those extravagant thoughts
[ and my view of prostitution is more of a third world one where prostitution is an offshoot of sexual discrimination]
Sorry if it appears to be a badly composed and sort of immature thoughts .

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And if the govt. is able to provide a total security and if the prostitution can be carried out by only the volunteering ones , then it is fine!
One more in favor. I cannot believe that so few actually oppose this apparently wise notion. Where are all the crazy moralist Swedes?

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Sorry if it appears to be a badly composed and sort of immature thoughts .
That's an apology I see too little (or too much) of
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One more in favor. I cannot believe that so few actually oppose this apparently wise notion. Where are all the crazy moralist Swedes?
the ones who disapprove of this cannot justify it without infringing the individual rights and so technically ,it's condemnation is only subjective and cannot be verified. Argumentatively , it is quite tough to defend the stance .

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That's an apology I see too little (or too much) of
I did not get this . .

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cannot justify it without infringing the individual rights
Well, let's say they crossed that line a long, long, long time ago. Before the rings of power were forged (I'm listening to The Hobbit in the background; sorry)

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and so technically ,it's condemnation is only subjective and cannot be verified. Argumentatively , it is quite tough to defend the stance .
Well, I'd thank more politicians to acknowledge this. Recently, the head of the Liberal Youth (a friend or rather acquintance of mine) published an article in which she attacked those who favor to penalize against Swedes buying the services of sex workers abroad, claiming that while one may have differentiating views on issues, it is hypocrisy to denounce efforts by Poland, Ireland, Malta and so forth (and I am yet to see those measures) to ban abortions taking place outside their legal jurisdiction while considering it just for Sweden to police the globe for what this political establishment considers immoral.

Last time this "subjectivity" surfaced, the proponents of the law simply explained that abortion is a "human right" while renting sexual services is not (and hence should be penalized). Wait a minute, have I heard Catholics use a similar argument about embryos? The "objectivity" argument - this is this, and I don't have to explain it in logical terms or ever admit that it is, in the end, my personal statement - would seem less logical without the backing of a divine power. Strangely, that doesn't seem to be.



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I did not get this . .
It means you don't have to apologize. Or a great quantity of people should.
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good luck anyway to the politician who ever tried to put forward a bill for its legalization, i can already hear the picket line of religious groups forming up.
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good luck anyway to the politician who ever tried to put forward a bill for its legalization, i can already hear the picket line of religious groups forming up.
Religious groups? Once again, what do religious mores in my lawbook? Not that those who claim it on "secular" grounds to be better, only harder to criticise. The notion that giving money for sex equates violence against women is a faith edging on the mysticism and irrationalism of religious creed. You would have to redefine, by very authoritarian measures the definitions of "violence" and "women" to make that reasoning work.
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May be , I have to revert my stance and categorically oppose the prostitution .This was due to a recent discussion with my friend , where I found it necessary to oppose it .
In my previous post , I was backing up the legalization of the prostitution and was opposing it only when it threatened the female security [ which is rampant in third world countries ]
Prostitution , per se , cannot be considered as a service in anyway .
Sex is not a service that should be freely available in the market as it adulterates the notions of the society . Sexual whims cannot be entertained as such as it digs away the foundations of the human civilization .
I may sound raw , but patronizing such sexual appetites can lead to situations where humans try to get involved in incest relationships [ and this is really savagery and barbaric] .
Prostitution has to be curbed and so does the [diversified] sexual desires . It should be under control and has to be carried with the people you love
[ and not someone who you catch up in the corner of a dark street ]
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May be , I have to revert my stance and categorically oppose the prostitution .This was due to a recent discussion with my friend , where I found it necessary to oppose it .
In my previous post , I was backing up the legalization of the prostitution and was opposing it only when it threatened the female security [ which is rampant in third world countries ]
Prostitution , per se , cannot be considered as a service in anyway .
Sex is not a service that should be freely available in the market as it adulterates the notions of the society . Sexual whims cannot be entertained as such as it digs away the foundations of the human civilization .
I may sound raw , but patronizing such sexual appetites can lead to situations where humans try to get involved in incest relationships [ and this is really savagery and barbaric] .
Prostitution has to be curbed and so does the [diversified] sexual desires . It should be under control and has to be carried with the people you love
[ and not someone who you catch up in the corner of a dark street ]
How is prostitution not a service? And how on earth do you back up your comment that it leads to incest..? Are you somehow saying that we have more incest and abuse of minors because of prostitution?

Sex without love happens, always has done and always will do. No law is ever going to change that.
Similarly prostitution is always going to be a fact of life. Making it illegal achieves nothing but to drive it underground resulting in more risks for, and exploitation of, the women involved.
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I feel disgust for the men who use it, contempt for the women who do it voluntarily, hatred for the men who force women into it and pity for the women who are forced.

It should be illegal, the women who do it should be shunned and the men who use it both shunned and sentenced. The men who force women into it may just as well get the death sentence for all i care.
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