Are you a patriot? - Page 9 - Historum

**Crystal Rainbow** · June 1st, 2012, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BRIAN GOWER

Are you voting "Yes" Crystal

I have voted for indifferent as you can image my dilemma

**Iolo** · June 1st, 2012, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BRIAN GOWER

I think they were recognisably English by 1400; certainly the language had developed considerably since the Normans but I'm not sure if it was commonly spoken at court. You're Plaid Cymru then? You must envy the Scots.

I once had to study pre-Chaucerian 'English'. Educated people spoke Latin then, and the bosses French, surely? Lacking a more socialist party, yes, I prefer Plaid Cymru to anything else on offer. No - I don't envy the Scots - it's more fun being us.

BRIAN GOWER · June 1st, 2012, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Iolo

I once had to study pre-Chaucerian 'English'. Educated people spoke Latin then, and the bosses French, surely? Lacking a more socialist party, yes, I prefer Plaid Cymru to anything else on offer. No - I don't envy the Scots - it's more fun being us.

Yes I agree but English was coming into its own by 1400 evidence Chaucer. What do you think of Saunders Lewis? Hard to understand his view of the Welsh; don't think he even liked the accent

**Iolo** · June 1st, 2012, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BRIAN GOWER

Yes I agree but English was coming into its own by 1400 evidence Chaucer. What do you think of Saunders Lewis? Hard to understand his view of the Welsh; don't think he even liked the accent

T.S.Eliot in a different language mostly, but he had his moments. I used to have his speech at the trial, till someone pinched it many years since. He - the borrower - boasts (to others) about how it converted him! I'd like it back!

BulgarianPrime · June 6th, 2012, 06:21 AM

I consider myself a Jekyll and Hyde, I live in a very diverse establishment in my city and I consider mysel a lone wolf in the world of politics.

PM96 · June 6th, 2012, 09:39 AM

Yes, I am a patriotic citizen of the United States. I do appreciate living here. And I'm saying this as an immigrant from a Muslim country. There's no contradiction in what I'm saying, understand?

Sceonn · June 12th, 2012, 09:25 AM

I don't have strong attachments to any nation, but I do appreciate democracy and those who gave their life to bring it to us.

**Vintersorg** · August 13th, 2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Raskolnivok

To call oneself a patriot is intellectual laziness - an egocentric stance that justifies blind devotion in the face of ignorance, based on (usually) your arbitrary location of birth. It maps ones own self-centeredness onto ones country, and assigns this country an almost infallible moral stance, independent of any actual actions its leaders may take. To be a patriot, is to be a slave to a public ideal.

Aren't you exaggerating a bit there?
You don't have to be ignorant to be proud of your country.
It doesn't assign your country an infallible moral stance. For example, I know several Ultra-patriotic germans, yet they do not deny Germany's actions during the Nazi Era. I'm a patriot and I accept my country's ugly role during the Congo Era.

Patriotism can be taken to far of course, but that's an entirely different story

Nemotheelvenpanda · August 13th, 2012, 10:42 PM

I appreciate the good the United States had done for the world, but I see myself as a world citizen. I may never take part in a 4th of July parade, but you'll never hear me snark about it. Personally I see states and nations as patches on a map that are getting thinner with globalization and the internet.

laketahoejwb · August 13th, 2012, 11:27 PM

I am a Patriot to, homeland, freedom and our blessed Constitution.

I am not a Patriot to War without Congress issuing a legitimate "Declaration of War".

Lake