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May 31st, 2012, 07:16 PM
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#21 | | Lecturer
Joined: May 2012 From: In the Land of Russia where the Shadows lie Posts: 357 |
Most of the opponents pretend they did not notice this addition : Quote:
Originally Posted by General Winter  | 41 percent ( ! ) of young men have been arrested at least once - isn't it a sign of a superrepressiveness ?
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June 1st, 2012, 01:51 AM
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#22 | | Historian
Joined: Apr 2010 From: Slovakia Posts: 8,704 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasta Back in the day, when students misbehaved, they would get a smack. If the parent's learned that their kid was hit by their teacher, they would give them another smack, and ask what the hell they did.
In modern times teachers need to be careful how they speak to students. People in modern society (children and adults) have learned that they can be egotistical pricks without fear of physical retaliation, that it is in fact illegal to physically retaliate against egotistical pricks.
Sometimes kids (and adults) just need a good smack. | I fully agree. When we take away natural self regulation of society (mostly based on tradition) we get more intrusive government/administration. Result can not be anything else than prison like community and abuse of rules.
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June 1st, 2012, 02:06 AM
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#23 | | Historian
Joined: Apr 2010 From: Slovakia Posts: 8,704 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Patton | Russia does not pose as champion of freedom and does not sent soldiers, bomb, burn and kill to impose freedom on other people.
US does. And so those people who are affected by those US actions have right to look at what kind of freedom people have in USA. And ask questions.
Btw, current state of Russia is in part direct result of Americans going to Russia post Soviet era and "teaching" and "advising" Russians how to organise their society. Results were less than encouraging.
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June 1st, 2012, 02:09 AM
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#24 | | Historian
Joined: Apr 2010 From: Slovakia Posts: 8,704 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Patton At least you can find it good ammunition for your mindless anti-American propaganda. | That reminds me of how mindless is anti-Russia propaganda. Especially in US.
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June 1st, 2012, 02:17 AM
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#25 | | Rabbit of Wormhole
Joined: Mar 2012 From: In the bag of ecstatic squirt Posts: 7,846 | Quote:
Originally Posted by arras Russia does not pose as champion of freedom and does not sent soldiers, bomb, burn and kill to impose freedom on other people. | This is correct that it does not champion freedom and it cannot impose freedom of other people because of lack of knowledge about democracy, for suffering from the backlash of communist doctrine. Quote: |
US does. And so those people who are affected by those US actions have right to look at what kind of freedom people have in USA. And ask questions.
| US does it as the world police, and people who understand democracy don't ask about freedom of people because they know that it exists. Quote: |
Btw, current state of Russia is in part direct result of Americans going to Russia post Soviet era and "teaching" and "advising" Russians how to organise their society. Results were less than encouraging.
| It's hard to teach people who find difficulty to learn.
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June 1st, 2012, 02:50 AM
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#26 | | Historian
Joined: Apr 2010 From: Slovakia Posts: 8,704 | Quote:
Originally Posted by dagul US does it as the world police, and people who understand democracy don't ask about freedom of people because they know that it exists. | This thread is in fact about US democracy needing lot of policing. Let say abundance of policing. I do not know if it is true, all those stories about law abuse in schools in US. But what you say, if true, seems to reinforce it. Quote:
Originally Posted by dagul It's hard to teach people who find difficulty to learn. | It is even harder if teachers are not honest: How The West Helped Invent Russia’s Election Fraud: OSCE Whistleblower Exposes 1996 Whitewash | | | |
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June 1st, 2012, 02:56 AM
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#27 | | Rabbit of Wormhole
Joined: Mar 2012 From: In the bag of ecstatic squirt Posts: 7,846 | Quote:
Originally Posted by arras This thread is in fact about US democracy needing lot of policing. Let say abundance of policing. I do not know if it is true, all those stories about law abuse in schools in US. But what you say, if true, seems to reinforce it. | Alright, if that is the case, then really, the US law enforcement has a lot of flaw, specially that in New Orleans, but it does not mean that the rule of law is not observed. It is just corrupted to a certain level, but, relatively, democracy is in operation. That is the result of abuse of freedom, and crimes like that is not only true in America, sometimes it is worst in democracy of developing nations, like the Philippines. Still, despite that, democracy is working and freedom is there.
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June 1st, 2012, 05:09 AM
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#28 | | Scholar
Joined: May 2012 From: Franklin, TN Posts: 541 | Quote:
Originally Posted by General Winter Most of the opponents pretend they did not notice this addition :
41 percent ( ! ) of young men have been arrested at least once - isn't it a sign of a superrepressiveness ? | Not at all. It's a sign that in a free society young people do stupid things and get arrested for it. Young people protest, pull stupid/destructive pranks, drive while drunk, experiement with drugs, throw loud/disturbing parties, etc. It doesn't show "super-repressiveness," it shows there is a rule of law, even for minor infractions.
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June 1st, 2012, 05:14 AM
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#29 | | Scholar
Joined: May 2012 From: Franklin, TN Posts: 541 | Quote:
Originally Posted by arras Russia does not pose as champion of freedom and does not sent soldiers, bomb, burn and kill to impose freedom on other people.
US does. And so those people who are affected by those US actions have right to look at what kind of freedom people have in USA. And ask questions.
| That's fair. But giving examples of a tiny, tiny number of overreaches and bad judgement does not indicate a lack of freedom for society as a whole.
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June 1st, 2012, 07:00 AM
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#30 | | Lecturer
Joined: May 2012 From: In the Land of Russia where the Shadows lie Posts: 357 | Quote:
Originally Posted by PubliusBassus Not at all. It's a sign that in a free society young people do stupid things and get arrested for it. Young people protest, pull stupid/destructive pranks, drive while drunk, experiement with drugs, throw loud/disturbing parties, etc. It doesn't show "super-repressiveness," it shows there is a rule of law, even for minor infractions. | OK,they got what they desreved,ie 41% of American young men are real criminals.It is the indication of what? Of the corruption of society,isn.t it? Exemplary capitalist country society is rotten - that's what turns out from your words.
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