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Old June 2nd, 2012, 02:42 AM   #21

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The question of which country is preferable rather depends on perspective. The US has a better public image by playing on freedom and prosperity. Nonetheless, the projection of American values is a political and commercial force that rather paints over the duality of their country. On the one hand you have peaceable folk and quiet towns. On the other, violent sprees and inner cities. America might be the land of the free but it does seem a bit reluctant sometimes to live up to that ideal.

Russia has a different grass roots feel that often suprises the casual observer like me, bearing in mind that during my younger days Russia was the declared enemy of the west - I find that perspective very hard to set aside even though there were never any actual hostilities as such. Russia often seems to be a hard, authoritarian state, still with communist values yet increasingly as their adoption of democracy has opened information I never used to have access to, I discover just how patriotic the Russians were and how much freedom they sometimes enjoyed.

So which one is better? I have no idea. Maybe if I had spent time in both I would see things more clearly.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 03:34 AM   #22

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The phrase 'false dichotomy' is spewing itself over this thread.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 02:29 AM   #23
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The question really boils down to which nation would be better to live in. In my opinion the increasing multiculturalism of America will increase social tensions and strain them. I think that it is quite possible that by the middle of the century you will see full scale ghettos in American cities with ethnicities staying in separate areas similar to what was seen in the capital of Iraq with the Shia/Sunni split after the invasion.

It is clear that Hispanic immigrants are not being assimilated and their children fail to assimilate into society and cause racial tensions. This is the main reason why I believe that in the future Russia will be arguably a better place to live as its populace is less multicultural.
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The rule of law will erase that fear of turmoil in the land of the free and the brave.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 03:09 AM   #25

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Except in cases where the enforcement of law creates turmoil and declares the free and brave as criminals. Since freedom and courage are not absolute values but relative ones dependent on circumstance and perspective, the establishment of self determination within society is not always viiewed as desirable, certainly not by the state condemning, but also sometimes the conformal populations who might regard such motives as essentially anti-social. Without the consent of the slightly less free and brave, those who struggle with turmoil are normally considered either a nuisance or as a danger to society.
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That is why there is the rule of law under the constitution which regulates the exercise of civil rights by the people and the check and balance of the executive, legislative and judicial department.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 03:51 AM   #27

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That's fine, but it represents only one solution to the balance desired in society and does not apply in each and every case, since clearly different societies find their own balance and solutions. If you believe the american model is superior, that's fine, you're perfectly entitled to see it that way. However you do need to understand there's an entire world out there that sees things differently, and that whilst the system is desirable to you as you find it, there will be those who seek to twist it to their own advantage as much as wish to destroy it.

Interstingly Polybius wrote a eulogy of Roman society around 150BC, in which he described the typical evolution of the state (which I more or less agree with - politics is an extension of social behaviour and thus displays parallels to bilogocial organisation) and points at the Roman model as inherently superior (which I disagree with and history shows he was wrong too - it had serious flaws that were later brought into focus after Rome eliminated Carthage as Polybius believed was inevitable).

No society is perfect. Whatever rules are created, be they intended for the general benefit ot the profit of individuals, will only successfully apply while the prevalent circumstance remains the same. Since history and politics are dynamic qualities that assumption is not a safe one.
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Why? whats wrong with it?
To answer your topic question one has to have first-hand in-depth experience of LIVING in both countries. outside of it, the thread will go down the road of football fans.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 07:39 AM   #29

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Russia is climbing back up the ladder to the global super powers and with the Russian Fed moving away from its bankrupt socialist state and into a more Democratic state, I was wondering which country do you prefer and why? which country would be better to live in ( judged by crime rates, liberty etc.) also which country do you believe has a less corrupt political system and which country stands for better values?
Is Russia "climbing back up the ladder to the global super powers?" How so?
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Russia "climbing back up the ladder to the global super powers?" How so?
Pnoozi, If Russia so chose, there would be hell on earth. If Russia so chose there would be Taliban armed with Kornet ATGMs and Igla-4 MANPADS in Afghanistan not to mention god only knows what else she has gathering dust in warehouses. There would not be any cargo flights over Russian territory either. Syria would be armed with much better equipment than they have now (Pantsirs perhaps?) and Iran would be armed with S-300 Triumphs.

That's only part of it.

Russia has to power to change the world as we know it. That's why Russia is a superpower.

Simple as that.
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