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Old June 15th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #11
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This ones persuasive
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Old June 15th, 2012, 07:21 PM   #12

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Yeah, I actually do think that a cycle of expansions makes much more sense.
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It makes alot of sense to me. Way less holes than the big bang.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:09 AM   #14

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So the Indians were right all along ? Hindu/Buddhist cosmology accounts for the universe in billions of years as its age and speaks of a cyclic universe over a linear 'start to finish' universal model as espoused by the BBT.
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Everyone accounts for the uiverse in millions of years.
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There are a great many problems with the Big Bang Theory that have not been solved.* Many of these are identified in Bill Mitchell's paper, " Big Bang Theory Under Fire". These problems include the idea that there are many objects observed that are older than the time from the big bang, which is variously estimated to be from 10 to 15 billion years ago, with the best estimates being 10 billion years using trigonometry rather than cepheid variable brightness. .......
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I am not as learned on the Big Bang theories as you seem to be. It all seems plausible to me but leaves many questions as you raise above.

It seems to me that most of your questions are answered if time is not a factor (say that the big bang occurred 1 X 10 to the trillion power - millina ago, or the speed of light is no barrier (it can go beyond a trillion times light speed), or that we are sometimes seeing the other side of the big bang shell.

The big bang is a fun theory and supports Creation, that is taking blank space from nothing to everything instantly.

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Creation doesnt need a theory to support it. God can make the universe anyway he wants. Hes numerous planets before us.
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Creation doesnt need a theory to support it. God can make the universe anyway he wants. Hes numerous planets before us.
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Very true, ... but now science is coming to the Creator's Will! Despite the consternations of the skeptics. ...

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Old June 17th, 2012, 01:33 PM   #19

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If the universe is constantly expanding, what is it expanding into? Is something expanding into nothing and creating more space within something? That sounds pretty similar to the anti-creationist argument that something being created from nothing is irrational.

I believe the universe was created by an omnipotent, all powerful, hyper-rational being, that was/is intelligent enough to create such perfect and self correcting systems like evolution/natural selection and physics among other things, and that we're trying to figure out the techniques of the grand architect.

Wasn't there a quote by Einstein about G-d being the gardener and the universe his garden (or something like that)?
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If the universe is constantly expanding, what is it expanding into? Is something expanding into nothing and creating more space within something? That sounds pretty similar to the anti-creationist argument that something being created from nothing is irrational.

I believe the universe was created by an omnipotent, all powerful, hyper-rational being, that was/is intelligent enough to create such perfect and self correcting systems like evolution/natural selection and physics among other things, and that we're trying to figure out the techniques of the grand architect.

Wasn't there a quote by Einstein about G-d being the gardener and the universe his garden (or something like that)?
I think the quote was from a conversation he had with a woman (can't remember who). She asked him whether he believed in God, and he said yes. He then said, that he didn't, however, believe that "someone plans the daily life of Albert Einstein".... after a moment of thought he said "though sometimes I believe he may have been leading me up the garden path."
The woman asked "but didn't he make the garden?"
He replied "I think he is the garden"
To which she replies "but isn't he the gardener too?"
He finishes with, "Yes, and all my life I've been trying to catch him at his work."
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