Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > Themes in History > Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology Forum - Perennial Ideas and Debates that cross societal/time boundaries


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old December 7th, 2012, 12:48 AM   #31

pnoozi's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jul 2011
From: New York
Posts: 2,232

Quote:
Originally Posted by infestør View Post
or you don't care at all and think that it is a mere political structure?
Yea this pretty much. I'm not sure if I'd prefer a unitary structure, I really couldn't offer a serious opinion.

Last edited by pnoozi; December 7th, 2012 at 01:02 AM.
pnoozi is offline  
Remove Ads
Old December 7th, 2012, 12:58 AM   #32
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Jun 2010
From: Dehradun
Posts: 1,936

Quote:
Originally Posted by infestør View Post
there is almost no/few country in the world with a single nation. mongolia maybe? the federation system works well in usa and germany, methinks.
It really depends on what your definition of a nation is. Mongols were different tribes before Chingis Khan united them and even today Mongols are not one people in ethnic or religious terms.
Jhangora is offline  
Old December 7th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #33

arras's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2010
From: Slovakia
Posts: 14,037

Quote:
Originally Posted by infestør View Post
there is almost no/few country in the world with a single nation. mongolia maybe? the federation system works well in usa and germany, methinks.
I did not meant country without ethnic minorities. In each country only some nations are however "constitutional". Those are nations who created country. Their language is usually official language of the country. In most countries it is just single nation. In Germany, German nation is constitutional one. In Czechoslovakia two nations were constitutional one. In Yugoslavia there were three constitutional nations (or more?).
arras is offline  
Old December 7th, 2012, 01:06 AM   #34

infestør's Avatar
Surprise pølse!
 
Joined: Jan 2012
From: Ẍ
Posts: 3,831
Blog Entries: 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by arras View Post
I did not meant country without ethnic minorities. In each country only some nations are however "constitutional". Those are nations who created country. In most countries it is just single nation. In Germany, German nation is constitutional one. In Czechoslovakia two nations were constitutional one.
what's your point then?
infestør is offline  
Old December 7th, 2012, 01:09 AM   #35

arras's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2010
From: Slovakia
Posts: 14,037

Quote:
Originally Posted by infestør View Post
what's your point then?
As I said, if federacy is made of more than one nation, you can expect trouble.
arras is offline  
Old December 7th, 2012, 01:21 AM   #36

infestør's Avatar
Surprise pølse!
 
Joined: Jan 2012
From: Ẍ
Posts: 3,831
Blog Entries: 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by arras View Post
As I said, if federacy is made of more than one nation, you can expect trouble.
then belgium is next? since i can't think of any other country that has more than one (founding) nation.
infestør is offline  
Old December 7th, 2012, 01:43 AM   #37

arras's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Apr 2010
From: Slovakia
Posts: 14,037

Quote:
Originally Posted by infestør View Post
then belgium is next? since i can't think of any other country that has more than one (founding) nation.
Belgium already have serious problems, just ask Zeno. They are (or were recently) considering also split. To add to Belgian problems, EU sits its fat ass in Brussels.
arras is offline  
Old December 13th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #38

infestør's Avatar
Surprise pølse!
 
Joined: Jan 2012
From: Ẍ
Posts: 3,831
Blog Entries: 3

how about the taxation? take usa for instance, do some states enjoy less taxes on imported cars? or is it in such a way that the difference is negligible?
infestør is offline  
Old December 13th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #39

Mandate of Heaven's Avatar
Ate too much
 
Joined: Jul 2010
From: Not sure what it is
Posts: 6,114

US is not really a federal system. It is by design and had been for many years, but nowadays, Federal Government is far more powerful than individual states.
Mandate of Heaven is offline  
Old December 13th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #40

Grimald's Avatar
Civilized Barbarian
 
Joined: Nov 2011
From: Alpine Foothills
Posts: 3,083

Federal countries differ very much from each other. There are very different ways of organizing a federation, and there is a grey zone of transition between federal systems with strong constituent states and regionalized systems where the regions are mere administrative units.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mandate of Heaven View Post
US is not really a federal system. It is by design and had been for many years, but nowadays, Federal Government is far more powerful than individual states.
I have always thought of the US as an example of a strongly federalized system. The federal states are very different from each other from a geographical and demographic point of view, and they differ significantly in their laws and taxation. It is of course true that the federal government has become stronger and stronger, in particular during times of war and economic crises.

I am not sure whether my country is actually a real federation. In comparison to Switzerland and the US, the German federal states are weak. Their main purpose lies in administration and implementation of what the federal government decides. Even in areas where they are supposed to decide on their own (e.g. schools and universities), there is a strong tendency towards centralization. Since most borders of the states were drawn by foreign victors (e.g. by Napoleon at the beginning of the 19th century, or the Allies after WWII), there is not much of an identity related to the respective state; identities are rather regional, with state borders often splitting up a region with a common identity, or combining regions that have nothing to do with each other.
Grimald is offline  
Reply

  Historum > Themes in History > Philosophy, Political Science, and Sociology

Tags
federal, historumites, live


Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What Ancient creatures used to live in your country? Earl_of_Rochester Ancient History 21 August 19th, 2012 02:29 PM
When a European country tries to conquer Europe again under who woud you rather live? jeroenrottgering European History 89 January 20th, 2012 05:53 PM

Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.