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Old August 16th, 2012, 02:18 PM   #1

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i've never lived in a federal country (e.g. germany, usa, brasil, schweiz etc.) but i would like to know your subjective thoughts do you guys feel like "our state/canton/bundesland etc. kicks ass!" or value your state flag and march over the national one? or you don't care at all and think that it is a mere political structure? ooor would you prefer a unitary structure over the federal one?
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Old August 16th, 2012, 02:23 PM   #2

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I think the U.S. is too big to be run entirely by a consolidated, national government. The age-long question has been striking the right balance between state power and federal power. The question will continue as long as the Republic does...
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Old August 16th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #3

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In any case having nine governments plus parliaments is making Belgium a bit top-heavy.
Over here, with the federal structure organised along linguistic divides (French - Dutch), federalization has created two separate political entities. Separate political press, politicians and parties. On a national level Flemings can't vote for Walloons and vice versa. This ofcourse makes that Flemish voters aren't electorally interesting for Walloon politicians and vice versa.

Then again Belgium is more and more a confederation, or maybe even two or more seperate nations. Personally, i'd like one state with equal rights for everyone. I prefer that state isn't named after the dominant ethnic group.
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Old August 16th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #4

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In any case having nine governments plus parliaments is making Belgium a bit top-heavy.
Over here, with the federal structure organised along linguistic divides (French - Dutch), federalization has created two separate political entities. Separate political press, politicians and parties. On a national level Flemings can't vote for Walloons and vice versa. This ofcourse makes that Flemish voters aren't electorally interesting for Walloon politicians and vice versa.

Then again Belgium is more and more a confederation, or maybe even two or more seperate nations. Personally, i'd like one state with equal rights for everyone. I prefer that state isn't named after the dominant ethnic group.
excuse my ignorance but how do you guys communicate? i mean are you all bilingual?
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excuse my ignorance but how do you guys communicate? i mean are you all bilingual?
We communicate as following: at the edge of Brussels village (the old part of town, with the watermill and the wooden church) there is a forest called Grotwald. The forest was used since pre-Celtic times as a cult-site. Some archaeologists claim ritual sacrifices of humans may have taken place here, under the mistletoe...

In the forest is an open space - in the Dutch dialect my tribe mumbles we call it
Dopeplekinnetboswaarzijaanunnnekantblijvenenwijaan denonze, which roughly means "neutral ground" - here Flemish merchants leave their fine products before dawn. Products like the sweetest, smoothest - yet still crispy - waffles, golden brown beers that taste like little angels pissing, no: urinating, on your tongue and the flavourest chocolate that would make Quetzalcoatl loose his feathers, drop the snake and take a bite.

After nightfall the Walloon merchants come and leave IOU-notes for all the received goods and draw a smiley face in the mud.

Outside of neutral ground communication happens to a series of grunts and obscene gestures.











No seriously, most, if not all Flemings and Walloons are to a degree trilingual: Dutch, French and English. Not so long ago the Fleming would pride himself in his knowledge of languages, but today the knowledge of French among Flemings has deteriorated much. Most Flemings understand English to a degree.
Walloons on the other hand are learning more Dutch, a relatively recent development. France is notoriously unilingual, and Wallonia leans on to France culturally a great deal.

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Old August 16th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #6

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I've never seen anyone here in Canada express solidarity with their Province. It would just be strange to say something like 'I'm Manitoban, and I'm proud of it!' The exception, of course, is Quebec. A very large minority (nearing 50% at some points in recent history) are for seceding from the rest of Canada, and they've come frighteningly close in the past. IIRC, it was in 1995 that a referendum was held on the issue in Quebec, and the seperatists lost by less than a percent.
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Old August 16th, 2012, 05:42 PM   #7

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Amongst themselves Australians still tend to identify on a state basis, and the state governments are very powerful compared to similar governments elsewhere. Personally I would like to see state governments abolished and an entire class of politcians made to find honest work.
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India is a sub-continent. 'Federal' does not even start to explain our country's structure.

Its crazy here! People relate themselves to their region/caste/clan/language(or dialect within a language)/religion etc. I think they call themselves India once outside the country, but inside, their state of origin and their mother-tongue comes first.

India is actually not federal, but 'central'. The central govt is supposed to be more powerful than the state govts. But over the years, the state govts have become so powerful that some states even have different foreign policies!

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India is a sub-continent. 'Federal' does not even start to explain our country's structure.

Its crazy here! People relate themselves to their region/caste/clan/language(or dialect within a language)/religion etc. I think they call themselves India once outside the country, but inside, their state of origin and their mother-tongue comes first.

India is actually not federal, but 'central'. The central govt is supposed to be more powerful than the state govts. But over the years, the state govts have become so powerful that some states even have different foreign policies!
that sounds more of a confederacy to me. however it's still a success that some states didn't brake away, since india has a humongous population.
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After joining the Army and spending a lot of time with Southerners and Midwesterners, I realized how much I love the West (Pacific) Coast.

I like Washington State and Oregon, and of course I love my native California. Still, we are all Americans first.
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