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Old November 24th, 2012, 02:33 PM   #31
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Socrates at the top as he was the original, tho I think Thales and others were before him, he was the mover and shaker of Western (and Middle Eastern) thought for centuries.

Hume and Hobbes might warrant a place too.
Socrates was not the original philosopher. there were tons of philosophers in the East who lived centuries before he did.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #32
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Its sad to see that Machiavelli and Chanakya have not yet been named.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #33

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Its a crime that Adi Shankaracharya has not been named yet. IMHO it is India that has produced the best philosophers.

1. Adi Shankaracharya
2. Buddha
3. Kanada
4. Abhinavagupta
5. Nagarjuna

These five stand head and shoulders above most philosophers.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 02:27 AM   #34
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Its a crime that Adi Shankaracharya has not been named yet. IMHO it is India that has produced the best philosophers.

1. Adi Shankaracharya
2. Buddha
3. Kanada
4. Abhinavagupta
5. Nagarjuna

These five stand head and shoulders above most philosophers.
certainly not.

Vachaspati Mishra stands head and shoulder above Buddha.

infact, founders of any great treligion are not that intellectual, it is their followers who make them great.

Buddha or Mahavira or Jesus are considered great because of Nagarjuna, Vimalsuri and christian savants like Clement and thomas aquinas.
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certainly not.


infact, founders of any great treligion are not that intellectual, it is their followers who make them great.
That is completely false. It is like that with most cults, but to call Jesus and Buddha nothing but what their followers made them is a ridiculous thing to say.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 11:09 AM   #36

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Eric Hoffer

GK Chesterton

Christopher Lasch

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Marcus Aurelius

I know; that's just five. But that's all I know about philosophy.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 02:49 PM   #37
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I think such a list can only work in a clearer and narrower definition. For example, it would be a good idea to exclude scientists like Newton, Darwin or Einstein, because they are not philosophers in the strict sense..
I agree fully!! - ya these guys are/were great, but they were not "philosophers"



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Furthermore, it would also make sense to exclude religious figures like Jesus or Muhammad.

no necessarily - because they were made religius figures postumously, but probably you are right anyway since they left no personal record.


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And last, it would be good to limit the list to Western philosophy - not because there are no great thinkers outside the Western world, far from that, but because the concept of philosophy in its separation from religion is a Western one. .

here i have to dissagree - AFAIK Confucianism is more a philosophy than a religion and the man Confucious is beleived to have existed (if or how much he actually contributed to the work that is attributed to him - who knows).

snipped the rest of your post - had some merit though:

my list (even though - yes Aristotle was part biologist and Augustine part theologn - I'll include them because both were more philosopher IMO).

1. Descarte (early work/man Meditations/Solipsism is all verifiable 1st place................latter Descarte is a sellout and a shell of the former - but the early Descarte was so great, he still makes top billing in my list.
2. David Hume (opposite of Descarte - Of Human Understanding is a great work - though opposite of Descarte - both were great minds and though each posit opposite themes, neither is refutable.
3. Aristotle
4. St. Augustine




there really isn't any others:

Paul Carus and Robert Sheckley I respect - both are more writers, the former a "thinker" of sorts and the latter a satorical author. not really "philosophers".


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Emmanual Kant is a bore IMO - never thought he offer much. and Carl Marx was a political thinker - aka Locke/etc..............not a classical philosopher - aka "nature of reality" stuff. so in my mind he would not make the catagory of "philosopher".

my 2-cents. great thread BTW.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #38
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. Al-Ghazali (helped kiill off Islamic philosophy. influence isn't always good)
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confess ignorance, but i'm intrigued with the above - could you be so kind as to point me to more info concern both the man and his "counter" influence historically WRT to modern Islam?

thanks for the listing of a man I know nothing of. I welcome learning about him.
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Technically speaking, Aquinas did note the distinctions between Revealed Theology and Natural Theology, which parallels the distinction we often make between religion and philosophy.
this would be the same distinction as between say the Noahide Laws of the "heathen" and the Ten Commandments held by the Jews.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 03:04 PM   #40
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If you're arguing that religion and philosophy were not distinguished in the manner often assumed in modern terms, I would agree.

Concerning East and West; although of course many Enlightenment thinkers tried to claim Chinese thinkers as purely secular, I don't think that's really so. The first Westerners in China were Jesuit missionaries, and they quickly noted the parallels to Confucius and Christianity. Confucius's main focus is on social ethics, but he never denies the existence of deities or heaven.


I disagree. Descartes and the Enlightenment were more responsible.

wisdom above. just wanted to concur 100-percent with this/your post.
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