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Old November 8th, 2012, 05:29 PM   #11

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What do you think, if poverty forces a man to kill himself, is it justifiable to give him money?
No. That would give the wrong message. People would have an incentive to kill themselves or others an make it look like a suicide.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #12

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No. That would give the wrong message. People would have an incentive to kill themselves or others an make it look like a suicide.
Should he simply be left to die?
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If you negotiate with terrorists, you get more terrorists.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #14

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It extreme circumstances of any sort push a person to suicide, then hey, have a bit of empathy for them.


Would you sell your kidney(s) for a Hush? -- Engadget
Ignore the story. Just a product review. Look at the comments.
In the third world, people will do desperate things to escape poverty. Lots and lots and lots of people.
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If you negotiate with terrorists, you get more terrorists.
Are we talking about a terrorist here? It seems to me that it's simply a person who can't cope with life and gives in to despair. Why not try to help?
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It extreme circumstances of any sort push a person to suicide, then hey, have a bit of empathy for them.


Would you sell your kidney(s) for a Hush? -- Engadget
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In the third world, people will do desperate things to escape poverty. Lots and lots and lots of people.
All right, I want to know how real that is. An entire comment section full of people wanting to sell their kidneys or other organs. I know that the world economy is horrible right now, I know that there are many countries in the world that exist deprived of wealth. Are these posts in the comment section real, or are they jokes?
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Old November 8th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #17

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I've looked though that. I am pretty sure 99% of it is real, except a handful of joke posts from the sites regulars. A lucky Google search must have pointed people to the page.

There is an email address inside there that I did a bit of a search for, and it pointed to a company that hired guys for the Gulf oil platforms. That spooked me. This guy hiring cheap Indian labour for the rigs, and on the side offering them a few extra bucks for their organs.

I just did a search on one of the more recent email addresses in that list and this came up...
http://debatableland.typepad.com/the..._kidney_a.html
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http://www.gettingit.com/article/195

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No. That would give the wrong message. People would have an incentive to kill themselves or others an make it look like a suicide.
Absolutely right. An incentive if you want to commit suicide? Total madness.
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People are fine being poor. What kills is the lack of hope for change. Escaping poverty often proves to be an enchanted circle. If a person has other psychological problems as well, suicide starts seeming logical to them.
Before the financial crisis in my country many people took small loans - for repairing their homes, purchasing new car, sending their kid to study abroad, etc. Later on, when the export rates decreases and many people lost their job, there were a couple of suicide cases on the news about people who could not repay their (moderate, not even high) debts, were of age of more than 45-50, and could not find another job. These cases highlight something new in our society.. people taking their lives due to lack of money, shame that they'll lose their home or so on. No wonder the more we tighten our belts due to the CRISIS, the more people become nostalgic of the previous socialist regime.. This is why I dislike capitalism so much. Or actually all modern types of government - they are all based around greed, maximum profit and take no account of terms like dignity or moral.
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I've looked though that. I am pretty sure 99% of it is real, except a handful of joke posts from the sites regulars. A lucky Google search must have pointed people to the page.

There is an email address inside there that I did a bit of a search for, and it pointed to a company that hired guys for the Gulf oil platforms. That spooked me. This guy hiring cheap Indian labour for the rigs, and on the side offering them a few extra bucks for their organs.

I just did a search on one of the more recent email addresses in that list and this came up...
The Debatable Land: It's my kidney and I'll sell it if I want to...
and
Gettingit.com: Body Bazaar
Exploiting desperation is so low... :-/
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Old November 9th, 2012, 06:12 AM   #20

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Should he simply be left to die?
What do you mean? If they kill themselves that is their own choice. We should help the living, not the dead.
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